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Old 02-03-2010, 01:25 PM
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Bret Hart (CAN) vs Samoa Joe (SAM)

This is a second round Submission Match in the 2010 Wrestlezolympics. This match will be contested under general Submission Match Rules. The match will continue without pinfalls until a wrestler either taps out or is rendered unconscious by an opponents submission maneuver. WZO Submission Matches are contested under no count-out, no DQ rules, but the match can only end via submission inside the ring.

The match will open for discussion on Wednesday, February 3rd, and voting will begin on Thursday, February 4th. This is a non-spam thread, so if you decide to post, you must provide reasons why you are backing a particular wrestler. You may vote without posting.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:50 PM
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This will be an absolute war that could last for damn near between 45 minutes to an hour. Bret was the master of the Sharpshooter and damn near beat everybody with it but Samoa Joe isn't a novice to submissions himself. Ask Angle. Daniels, or AJ Styles. Joe has various chokes and STF's in his arsenal and will be on Hart all through this match. It does take one mistake for Hart to put on the Sharpshooter but could he withstand all of Joe's arsenal including a Muscle Buster into a Coquina Clutch? I don't know who to pick so I'm going to wait to see what other arguments are going to be made.
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:40 PM
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Well I'm going to go against the legend here and pick Joe. Bret faced technical wrestlers before and big wrestlers before. We've seen him face and beat almost everybody except Joe is like no other wrestler.

He's fast, technical, and is a powerhouse. While Hart has the Sharpshooter, Joe has the coquina clutch, STF, Muscle Buster, Island Driver. Frankly the list goes on and on. He can finish this match from any spot in the ring. To keep Joe on the ground to lock in the sharpshooter will need power. Hart just does not have the power to overcome Joe, which he will need to beat him. Joe can lock in the Clutch from any time. Giving him the advantage.

We've seen Joe face, I would say, a wider variety of opponents than Hart has. He was in the X Division, Japan, TNA Heavyweight, all across America's indy scene. And he's left a mark where ever he left. We've seen him beat one of the greatest technical wrestlers ever, Angle, numerous times. He's faced better opponents than Hart and would beat him. Not saying this wouldn't be an hour long classic, but Joe would stand victorious, bloody, but still the winner.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:53 PM
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He's fast, technical, and is a powerhouse. While Hart has the Sharpshooter, Joe has the coquina clutch, STF, Muscle Buster, Island Driver. Frankly the list goes on and on. He can finish this match from any spot in the ring.
Just because you have an abundance of moves doesn't mean they will all be effective. To my knowledge Bret Hart has never given up in his career and I don't see why it would be any different here. Also, Bret was trained in the dungeon so I'm sure he knows his fair share of holds. Just because he didn't use many of them during his career doesn't mean he couldn't bust them out here in WZ Olympics.


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To keep Joe on the ground to lock in the sharpshooter will need power. Hart just does not have the power to overcome Joe, which he will need to beat him. Joe can lock in the Clutch from any time. Giving him the advantage.
Bret Hart was able to get Yokozuna's fat ass in the sharpshooter. I'm sure he will have no problem at all with Joe.
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We've seen him beat one of the greatest technical wrestlers ever, Angle, numerous times. He's faced better opponents than Hart and would beat him.
Bret Hart has a ton more impressive wins then Joe does. Hart has beaten the likes of Mr Perfect, Shawn Michaels, the Undertaker, Diesel, Sting, Chris Benoit, and Goldberg. Shit Hart once made Sting and Benoit both tap out in the same night to win the WCW title.
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Just because you have an abundance of moves doesn't mean they will all be effective. To my knowledge Bret Hart has never given up in his career and I don't see why it would be any different here. Also, Bret was trained in the dungeon so I'm sure he knows his fair share of holds. Just because he didn't use many of them during his career doesn't mean he couldn't bust them out here in WZ Olympics.
While Bret Hart has the formal experience of The Dungeon, Joe has had the personal experience of many indy wrestlers across the globe. Hart stayed in major companies most of his career. Joe has faced every move-set you can think of. From El Generico to Danielson to Sting. He's faced them all. No matter what training you receive it can't compare to the personal resume Joe has received.

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Bret Hart was able to get Yokozuna's fat ass in the sharpshooter. I'm sure he will have no problem at all with Joe.
Joe and Yoko are two completely different wrestlers. Yoko, you can out maneuver and pull out technical wrestling on him to easily get the sharpshooter on him. Joe is a fast moving powerhouse. They are two completely types of wrestlers. We've seen Joe escape from Sting's Scorpion lock and on the other hand we've seen Yoko break the turnbuckle when doing a move.


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Bret Hart has a ton more impressive wins then Joe does. Hart has beaten the likes of Mr Perfect, Shawn Michaels, the Undertaker, Diesel, Sting, Chris Benoit, and Goldberg. Shit Hart once made Sting and Benoit both tap out in the same night to win the WCW title.
While Joe has beat many top stars Joe has his own resume. Sting, Angle, Styles, Homicide, Sabu, Jeff Jarrett, and to top Hart's one night feat, Joe beat Abyss, Spike, and Raven in a Monster's Ball match. No matter what Hart throws at him, Joe is able to beat him.
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While Bret Hart has the formal experience of The Dungeon, Joe has had the personal experience of many indy wrestlers across the globe. Hart stayed in major companies most of his career. Joe has faced every move-set you can think of. From El Generico to Danielson to Sting. He's faced them all. No matter what training you receive it can't compare to the personal resume Joe has received.
So you're saying that Joe facing a bunch of nobodies in indy feds has prepared him to beat a wrestling legend in Bret Hart? And exactly what "move-sets" has Joe seen that Hart hasn't?

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Joe and Yoko are two completely different wrestlers. Yoko, you can out maneuver and pull out technical wrestling on him to easily get the sharpshooter on him. Joe is a fast moving powerhouse. They are two completely types of wrestlers. We've seen Joe escape from Sting's Scorpion lock and on the other hand we've seen Yoko break the turnbuckle when doing a move.
You said Bret Hart did not have the power overcome Joe. Bret Hart has beaten plenty of bigger and stronger wrestlers then Samoa Joe.

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While Joe has beat many top stars Joe has his own resume. Sting, Angle, Styles, Homicide, Sabu, Jeff Jarrett,
That list is shit compared to Hart's. If Homicide and Sabu are considered big wins then I could have added a lot more guys to the list of big names Bret has beaten.

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and to top Hart's one night feat, Joe beat Abyss, Spike, and Raven in a Monster's Ball match. No matter what Hart throws at him, Joe is able to beat him.
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Hart has more than the Sharpshooter in his arsenal to apply to an opponant. He is use to going against bigger opponants and has a life time of experiance in submission wrestling having been raised by Stu Hart in the Dungeon. Joe is very competant in a submission enviorment as well but at the end of the day I'm going to go with the experiance of Hart for the win. If Hart can make it by Angle in round one he should be able to make it by Joe in round two. I do think this is going to be one of the better matches of round two lasting well over thirty minutes.
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I'm going to go with Bret Hart here. I'm a huge Joe fan, but even I know Joe could not beat Bret. Bret is the Excellence of Execution, he is a technical wrestler, a very technical wrestler. Joe is more of an agile brawler with a submission finisher.

Hart has the edge in this match easily, because submissions matches are about the technical moves, keeping your opponent grounded and singling out the part of the body that your submission move would focus on. Hart was very good at this, where as like I said Joe is an agile brawler, which works well for his character and submission, as he'll wear you down, get you short winded, and then attempt to choke you out.
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I'm going to need some convincing on this one. Bret is one of the best of all time, but Joe is a beast. I'm leaning toward Joe, not only because of how big and powerful he is, but also because Joe is a brawler and a Submission Match is no-DQ. I could easily see Joe beat the shit out of Hart with weapons and kicks before choking him out just as easily as I could see Joe tapping to the Sharpshooter. Like I said, I'm leaning toward Joe, but I can be convinced otherwise.
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Bret Hart, easily. Joe has wrestled in TNA, but I don't think he's made any of the top dogs there tap out. Hart has pretty much never given up, and he has beaten countless men bigger than him in a submission match, as well as having beaten multiple submission specialists. To suggest that because Samoa Joe has beaten a bunch of spot monkeys he is better is a fucking joke. Owen Hart, Sean Waltman and Brian Pillman pretty much introduced lucha libre to the USA and Hart beat them all, not that that is relevant at all.

Bret Has beaten wrestlers more powerful than himself, and that is all Joe has going into this match. Hart can soak up punishment like no other, and that is pretty much all Joe does. The number of moves Joe has is irrelevant becasue a) Hart probably had more and b) Hart made a career of turning other people's holds into sharpshooters.
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