Dolph Ziggler Face Turn: Would You Do It &, If So, How?

[HereComesThePain53]

Originally Posted by Justinian

Why is the IWC so high on this dude? All he can do is flop around the ring and come out asking how damn good he is. Anyone who constantly asks how good he is isn't too good. He's a glorified Billy Gunn who gets no crowd reaction without being attached to Vickie's hip. I wouldn't do shit with Ziggler, have him cash in the MITB briefcase and lose. Then back to midcard status for him. He doesn't steal any shows and isn't putting anyone's ass in a seat period.

I couldn't agree more. You're one of the 4 people in this country who agree that Ziggler is overrated. I mean, let's start with his name - Ziggler. Dolph Ziggler. Wtf is up with that? Second, he is always with his death-deserving mother Vickie Guerrero (Don't hate her cuz shes a heel - she just gets under my skin I want her out of WWE that annoying brat). I think that Vickie is part of the reason why I hate Dolph. Anyway, yeah, Dolph Spaghetti hair Ziggler does not steal any shows nor does he "put anyone over by selling moves." Every WWE superstar sells moves and I can think of 10 right of the bat who sell moves better than little ziggy. I think he needs more time to develop. You can't just make a random buffoon the next Shawn Michaels! WWE doesn't get it. Nor do these fans who are so high on people like Ziggler , Cesaro, that idiot sandow, and cody rhodes. THey're all buffoons.

[George Steele's Barber]

No point in doing anything now. They hampered Ziggler with the stupid case that hasn't been interesting or meant anything in years. They also have too many main eventers that will return between now and WM to the point a Ziggler face turn would make any money off of it. If they are going to turn him they should wait until after WM season.

Here is a summary:
1. Don't cash the case
2. Change his name to something that isn't a parody of a porn star
3. Make him noble
4. Have Vicky lose her shit over it
5. Have Vicky feud with Dolph by sending guy after guy after him for a few months
6. Have Dolph tame Vicky
7. Have Dolph win the title with Vicky in his corner

Dolph has never been that interesting, he is occassionally entertaining but he is rarely interesting. The only time he was interesting was when he beat Swagger in order to keep Vicky. It was a nice little story with terrific execution that the fans ate up. They need to do this on a larger scale. Dolph turning in the ring or against other talents is pointless. He is not that good of a story teller. His one card that he has to play to win fans and make some money for WWE is to do a Taming of the Shrew story with Vicky.

[SD619]

Originally Posted by George Steele's Barber

Dolph has never been that interesting, he is occassionally entertaining but he is rarely interesting.

Completely agree.

Dolph is a guy that struggles to get a good reaction by himself (aka without Vickie screaming) as a cocky heel, I doubt that he can get the crowd to cheer for him on a consistent basis. If he does turn on Vickie, he will get cheered as the "guy opposing Vickie". Once he moves past that he will struggle as a face.

Let him continue as the annoying show-off.

[Mustang Sally]

Originally Posted by SD619

.... I doubt that he can get the crowd to cheer for him on a consistent basis. If he does turn on Vickie, he will get cheered as the "guy opposing Vickie". Once he moves past that he will struggle as a face.

Agreed, and that's why most performers want to be heels; it's easier to get people to hate you than to love you....all you have to do is some rotten deeds to people and the crowd will boo. Getting people to cheer takes more doing.

With Dolph, I'm not sure whether they should try face-dom or not. He's been a heel a long time, never having been anything else. It seems as if he's been with Vickie forever, and an acrimonious split with her would surely launch him toward being a good guy. So far, while she can't really accompany him to ringside anymore since she's "management," there hasn't been any sign of the two being at odds.

Still, having him turn on her would be such as easy thing to do (having anyone turn on her is easy) and we'd quickly learn whether Dolph could cut it as a face or not.

As I see it, every post on this forum in which a member expresses a preference as to whether a character should be heel or face......they choose heel.

But, hey!.....someone's got to play the good guys, no? After all, we couldn't conceive of ever cheering for Sheamus, could we? Look at him now.

WWE management is determined to give us as much Dolph as they can. Given that, I wouldn't mind seeing him give it a try as a babyface.

[HBsam31]

I think a go as a face for Dolph is a good idea. It would freshen him up, and be a good transition into the main event for him. A way that I think would be for him to do it is go against Vickie's wishes and have him challenge Big Show to a title match one on one cashing in the case that way. The tension could build between him and Vickie over Dolph not listening to her advice not to so it this way, and sometime before the match he could break from her and go on to defeat Big Show clean. I think the fans would get behind him through this. Could he keep the momentum going as a face after that? I am not sure, but I would like to see Ziggler get a chance as a face.