Brad Maddox face turn?

[#hamler]

Originally Posted by justinept

You didn't say anything I didn't like. I like Ziggler - I think he's great. I just found it ridiculous that every negative comment you made about Maddox could've been said about Ziggler when he debuted. Your age shows when you criticize new guys - you clearly don't remember how you felt about Ziggler in January 2006.

I said it before, Ziggler was trash in 2006. Anyone could see that. Watch some of his OVW shit, he wasn't anything special. I don't criticize new guys. I love me some Big E. Langston. I love the Shield. I don't like Maddox because he is nothing special.

He was on TV a lot, though - similar to how Maddox is now. When the Spirit Squad debuted, their initial feud was with DX ... they were teamed with Vince and Shane McMahon. That's as high profile a debut program as Maddox has had. Still, it wasn't Ziggler that got the majority of the ring time. It was Kenny and Mikey. Ziggler only got into the 5-on-1s and 4-on-1s.

It wasn't until he came back when he showed what set him apart. That's the same I'm asking from Brad Maddox. If you would've asked me this in 2006, I would've said the same. Brad Maddox has been given a huge storyline and has shown nothing from it. It's time to go back to NXT and developed more personality.

Can you honestly tell me that you saw something in Ziggler during those 5-on-1s that screamed "future world champ"? Doubtful.

Already said no.

My guess is that you felt the same about Ziggler then as you do Maddox now -- Actually, I'd bet that you felt less about Ziggler because he was completely lost in the shuffle of the Spirit Squad.

Exactly. I said I didn't care for Ziggler back in 2006.

...and just curious. How come Ziggler gets the benefit of the doubt. With Ziggler you say, "Oh he was green ... why would they want to display him?" ... but with Maddox, it's "They clearly don't want to display him because he'll never be any good."

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said he'll never be good. I said he's generic and has nothing that sets him apart from other wrestlers on the roster. If you're handed a huge storyline like that at the start of your career and you hardly do shit with it, it's time to move back to developmental – which Ziggler did by the way.

As "over" as I claim he is? I want proof that I said he's over. All I said is that he gets heat. Go back and watch some of his promos prior to last night.

Originally Posted by justinept

Because after just a few months on TV, Maddox has managed to do something that Ziggler hasn't been able to do in four years ---- get heat without having someone talk for him.

Sure seems like you claim he's over. Like I said, the heat faded away (not that it was anything significant anyways).

Ziggler started out with a strong story line that included the owner of the company, his son, his son-in-law, and Shawn Michaels. He didn't show us what sets him a part from every other wrestler on the roster --- or even in his own faction. No one thought he was anything special. He was basically a guy that landed on the main roster because he agreed to be a cheerleader.

...do you see how you can say pretty much the same things about Ziggler as you can about Maddox?

This is exactly why I said I didn’t care for Dolph Ziggler in 2006. Why do you think I have to care about Maddox because I love Dolph now? I hated Dolph in 2006. I cared little for CM Punk when he debuted on ECW. Now they’re two of my favorites. Both obviously needed to break out of his shell. As does Maddox. Both were generic and same as any other average joe on the roster.

And that's really the point that you're missing. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. When you dismiss Maddox as having no future for not impressing you in three months -

I didn't say he had no future. Cause you can never say never, I said I didn't care for him. I stated why I didn't care for him because he didn't make himself seem different in the three months he was featured in a prominent storyline.

Originally Posted by Me

I'm not about pushing guys away from the main roster but Maddox is certainly nothing special; he's incredibly generic.

I said this for a reason. NXT is where you go to develope a character. That's where Maddox belongs for now. He belongs nowhere near the main roster. As did Ziggler in 2006. You're acting as if I said fire the fucker.

and then claim to be a big Ziggler fan - it comes off like you either have no memory, or you're so new to the product you just forgot about that time when Ziggler did less with the same opportunity.

You're glued to this aren't you? When exactly do you think I jumped on the Ziggler bandwagon?

[dman1373]

Really, people are talking about his promos like there something special. They suck. I remember when he was first be berated by punk and he started to talk, and he seemed like any rent a actor that wwe has got for security, cops, or any other dumb segment. He was really terrible. Hes still doing the same thing. He was trying to do a bane impersonation on raw this week and no one even noticed because he doesn't even do good impressions. He doesn't have a good look(as he looks like the kid from sixth sense), he cant go in the ring, and he cant talk at all. The only thing he has is that he got a rub from breaking up a main event on a ppv.

[Jack-Hammer]

I'm still on the fence about Brad Maddox. Based on what I've heard from him on the mic, he's got potential. I'm not saying he's cut super amazing promos or anything, but I do believe he handles himself well in promos. He's come off like something of a bottom feeding opportunist seeking fame. He reminds me of about half the contestants who try out for American Idol quite frankly. Before I ultimately make up my mind on him, I need to see him actually do something in the ring besides get fed to Ryback and Randy Orton.

As for Maddox staying heel or turning face, I don't see him turning face. Even though he did call out The Shield, he was still coming off like a smarmy, bottom feeding little turd. He did refer to himself as the "hero" of this story since he's the one who went to Vince with the footage of Heyman & The Shield.

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I think they should make him as the special guest referee at Elimination Chmaber. And at the end he screws John Cena like he screwed Ryback at Hell in a Cell. And they make Maddox a member of The Shield.

[Trance Metaphor]

I personally find Brad Maddox hilarious. His delivery in his promos are over the top, but it shows his confidence and potential. He could work as a good manager if he doesn't get over as a wrestler (if he's ever going to wrestle via offence). It's difficult to judge him at this stage since he hasn't been able to demonstrate any kind of offence in his few matches, but I'm sure booking him against someone like Heath Slater could give him some mid-range quality airtime. However, seeing how his character seems rather too cocky might not work too well for his face turn. It's more conditioned for a heel. I'm not sure if the crowd will get behind him. They might just be irritated and end up booing him instead. Upon thinking it through, perhaps they should give him the old Matt Striker gimmick in his indie days when he was a heel that didn't know that he was a heel. Haha.

[Broski_of_the_week]

I'll admit, this post is a bit rambly, I've been thinking about a lot to do with this whole maddox/shield/cena/sheamus/ryback/sometimes orton situation quite a bit recently so got a bit carried away when writing this lol. anyway, on to the topic...

I have a funny feeling that ol' Brad Maddox will have a short face turn over the next couple of months, in a way where he'll buddy up with a cena, sheamus or ryback to try and get them to protect him from the shield. I can see him coming for the save for one of the big guys but getting anhiliated and then using the sympathy vote to get him in with the good guys. he'll still play the cocky but weasely heel carachter but to it'll get phased out slowly, making the fans all the more unsuspecting when BAM! turns out he's been under heymans employ all along. I think it could lead to a way of Heyman, maddox, Lesnar and the Shield (and possibly Punk although im not sure how the Lesnar/Punk dynamic would work out) all coming together as a stable.

I honestly think the end game to all this is Shield and the Big name faces angle business is to link Lesnar with the Shield, I dont know if its all a bit too obvious but I've been betting on it since day one, why be linked to Heyman, call yourself the Shield and have Lesnar have a giant sword tattoo on his back AND tshirts without it being a link (The Sword and the Shield anyone?)? I think throwing maddox into the shield aswell could just be a useful way to bulk them out and give the up and comers a chance to be involved in big storylines. For instance, If the HHH v Lesnar II rumours are true then im pretty sure it wouldnt hurt the careers of reigns, ambrose, rollins and maddox (if he joined) to be involved in some angles and fights with HHH, and could help progress that storyline from just being a same old same old rematch formula that everyones expecting from their buildup.