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Old 08-14-2017, 04:46 PM
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So, you are reaching on assumption on how I personally feel about something while trying to integrate it into your post. Backing a company on a guy who has lost his title as President of Combat Sports (regardless of him resigning from the position or being removed, he no matter what, is no longer President. He was stripped of the title from his fiancé’s parent’s promotion, now he is stripped of the WHC at the GFW, the company who pays him.) He has not painted the picture of being a Champion and this is the guy who once carried the label as Mexican John Cena. Cena, ya know, the guy who carries himself as a company man not a man who thinks he is carrying the company. Patron has had nothing but bad press and for GFW to hold their ground, good on them. They want to emerge from the negative shadow of TNA and become a company that seeks positivity like the glory days of TNA or even now like ROH, EVOLVE, and even Lucha Underground.

You then start to criticize GFW/TNA fans for only having 10 supporters and think they all bash WWE. Yet, pot calling the kettle black as you are bashing GFW by saying the only have 10 fans who are the company’s life line. My post does not bash WWE nor did it bash Patron. Patron can be a highly successful wrestler if he chose to stay that way. He really seems arrogant and it seems to be getting the better of him. He needs to humble himself which is a fans concern.

Again, putting a newer guy right into becoming WHC will always have issues regardless of WWE/ROH/GFW. I am sure people complained when Balor won the WHC so quick, but, since the forum is pro WWE, it was harder to notice vs a TNA thread.

Anthem saved TNA from going under not the Broken Hardy’s. Viewership shows that they did not do well to move the ratings besides that one small bump which was one time only. It is why it is tiring to see or hear so much concern over the gimmick. I get it, Matt Hardy was relevant for once on his own. I personally do not care who wins, I just want the issue to go away.
I don't have to personally guess how you feel about El Patron, since your post shows exactly your hatred for him.

Who said that Del Rio was the Mexican John Cena? Also, you saying that Del Rio puts himself before the company is based on your own negative opinion of him, and those who you choose to believe, rather on any hard facts.

I don't know if Del Rio is a company man or not. I have never met him, so I don't presume to know his intentions, unlike you.

I do know that the company hasn't always looked after him. He got kicked out of WWE the first time for decking an employee who racially vilified him, and WWE kept the employee, but only fired him when Del Rio went public to the media, and WWE was forced to let the racist employee go. But you probably think that some bottom-feeder backstage guy is allowed to racially insult Del Rio. You probably applaud the employee's racism, and said that Del Rio deserved to have his heritage insulted, such is your hate for him.

"GFW" want to emerge from the negative shadow of TNA, and then you place them in the same breath as ROH, EVOLVE or Lucha Underground. That is a fitting comparison, since GFW gets the same crowds as any of the other
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"He seems arrogant"- to you. Your opinion, not based in fact, unless you have met and know him.

"Anthem saved TNA, not the Hardy's"-

"The Final Deletion" was all over social media, and got more press for TNA than almost anything else they have ever done. People were talking about TNA, rather than WWE, for the first time since Styles, Angle, Samoa Joe, Sting, and every other relevant talent, bar the Hardys, left. People never spoke about TNA for years before the "Final Deletion" and people hung out for the next chapter. It was considered "different" than anything wrestling and WWE had done, and WWE signed the Hardys back, based on their renewed popularity. Fans cheer "DELETE!" "DELETE!" during Hardy matches. No-one is calling "ANTHEM!" "ANTHEM!"

"Matt Hardy was relevant for ONCE". No. I would say that he had relevance with his "Version 1" gimmick, where he walked out to "Matt Facts" with Shannon Moore in tow. He even got elevated to No. 2 heel behind Brock Lesnar on "Smackdown" during a period in 2003.

If you want the issue to go away, then hope that Anthem wake up and give Matt back the rights to the "Broken Universe". Anthem can't use the rights, or repackage someone else with the gimmick. They are just doing it to be petty, and keep it out of WWE's hands (If the "Broken Universe" didn't garner ratings, like you say, then why do Anthem want to charge the Hardys to use it? Wouldn't an irrelevant gimmick, in your opinion, not be worth anything money-wise, so Matt could use it for free.

Stop drinking the GFW/Anthem Kool-Aid.
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Old 08-14-2017, 04:55 PM
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I think him getting stripped of the title and still be suspended is more about his attitude backstage and after tapings and how he handle the situation then the actual situation. Del rio as been a nightmare for them to deal with the last couple of months just by some of the comments he made about WWE after the tapings and the way he just was a prick during the whole time this thing happenned kinda push them to do what was best for the company right now which is a first of TNA or GFW. During the dixie carter era, something like this or the hardy debacle wouldn't have happen because she was more into making friends with the talents then running the company. That's why a lot of wrestlers took advantage of that. Now it's run by a business man so they deal with every situation like if it was a business which is awesome because if TNA would have been run like that since the beginning, they wouldn't be in the mess they are trying to get out of right now.
Why would Anthem care if Del Rio made comments about WWE after the tapings of shows?

Both Booker T and Ron Killings criticized WWE mercilessly during their TNA stays, based on past experiences with WWE. TNA had no problem with it, and it didn't hurt either of them, since R-Truth once got a main event spot, and Booker is a WWE HoFer and regular commentator.

GFW is run by businessmen who have no idea about wrestling, or what works. Only Jarrett has any wrestling experience, and his main contribution during his last stint was to make himself 3-time TNA Champion. Hardly the foundations for TNA to ever take it up to WWE as the No.1 wrestling organization.
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:02 PM
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Call me a dinosaur, but I'm not one for allowing titles to change hands in an official capacity outside of a bell-to-bell match. It's a bridge too far for me.

I'd imagine you're talking about Eric Young finding the old TNA title, but I'm not sure he was ever recognized as such. He just paraded around wearing it (which was stupid).
Knockouts Title. There was a box on every corner and whoever pulled down the box with the title won it.
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:03 PM
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Why would Anthem care if Del Rio made comments about WWE after the tapings of shows?

Both Booker T and Ron Killings criticized WWE mercilessly during their TNA stays, based on past experiences with WWE. TNA had no problem with it, and it didn't hurt either of them, since R-Truth once got a main event spot, and Booker is a WWE HoFer and regular commentator.

GFW is run by businessmen who have no idea about wrestling, or what works. Only Jarrett has any wrestling experience, and his main contribution during his last stint was to make himself 3-time TNA Champion. Hardly the foundations for TNA to ever take it up to WWE as the No.1 wrestling organization.
And that's why those WWE comments in front of a live crowd bothers Anthems, Because they don't want to be compare with WWE especially now That NXT is running the same town as they do. They don't want to be in competition with WWE and having a performers bad mouthing and WWE especially the way Del rio was doing it make them look bad.
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Old 08-14-2017, 07:13 PM
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And that's why those WWE comments in front of a live crowd bothers Anthems, Because they don't want to be compare with WWE especially now That NXT is running the same town as they do. They don't want to be in competition with WWE and having a performers bad mouthing and WWE especially the way Del rio was doing it make them look bad.

"TNA don't want to compare to WWE. They don't want competition with WWE".

What, they don't want to be compared with a successful wrestling organisation, a trendsetter in the industry? They don't want to be compared to the best?

Well, no chance of TNA being confused as a successful wrestling company, as they won't be one in their wildest dreams. Instead of being ballsy like WCW, and taking on WWE, or being like ECW, by bringing something new or innovative, TNA want to shrink into a corner, and hope that WWE don't overtake them.

This is just more proof that TNA know that they are irrelevant and need to die. Vince can buy them, skim off what he wants (a couple of names for NXT, and the video library for the Network) and then consign the rest into the bin of history. Better companies than TNA went broke and got bought out by WWE, why won't they? Then WWE won't have to pay a cent to get the rights to "The Broken Universe".
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Old 08-15-2017, 06:26 AM
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"TNA don't want to compare to WWE. They don't want competition with WWE".

What, they don't want to be compared with a successful wrestling organisation, a trendsetter in the industry? They don't want to be compared to the best?

Well, no chance of TNA being confused as a successful wrestling company, as they won't be one in their wildest dreams. Instead of being ballsy like WCW, and taking on WWE, or being like ECW, by bringing something new or innovative, TNA want to shrink into a corner, and hope that WWE don't overtake them.

This is just more proof that TNA know that they are irrelevant and need to die. Vince can buy them, skim off what he wants (a couple of names for NXT, and the video library for the Network) and then consign the rest into the bin of history. Better companies than TNA went broke and got bought out by WWE, why won't they? Then WWE won't have to pay a cent to get the rights to "The Broken Universe".
WWE won't pay TNA a cent for the broken universe anyway because they clearly don't want it. They are happy using the hardy's as a nostalgia act. If matt gets the right then wwe might try to buy it from him but until then, they won't even try to get a hold of it.

As far as tna is concern, they have enough problem trying to erase their horrible history from the fans mind and make the rebrand a successful one, that they need to focus on that instead of doing what dixie was doing when she was in control and try to be competiton to wwe. That's what brought the downfall of tna the first time around.

I agree with you that the fact they are hanging on is becoming ridiculous but they had a chance to sell to wwe and decided to sell to anthem instead. I for one, I'm giving them one last chance and while their product isn't the best, it's still pretty good and the way they are handling the company right now is the way it's should have been done from the beginning. Making sure that the company best interest is serve in front of the wrestlers best interest is how you run a successful business. That's how vince was able to make wwe what it is today, so I would say that while tna/gfw as a long road ahead of them, decisions like not letting the broken universe go and stripping el patron of the championship are good decisions for the company,
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Old 08-15-2017, 08:08 AM
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Knockouts Title. There was a box on every corner and whoever pulled down the box with the title won it.
Of the ring? Then that's still bell-to-bell. It was still determined via in-ring action, in front of a camera, sanctioned in a match.

Again, not to beat a dead horse, but the idea of awarding a title to someone in an official capacity simply because no one can currently lay claim to it is nonsense.

I'm having a really tough time wrapping my head around how you, of all people, are arguing for this. I feel like if this actually occurred, you'd be the very first, or among the very first, to point out the absurdity of a company giving titles away. Literally.
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Of the ring? Then that's still bell-to-bell. It was still determined via in-ring action, in front of a camera, sanctioned in a match.

Again, not to beat a dead horse, but the idea of awarding a title to someone in an official capacity simply because no one can currently lay claim to it is nonsense.

I'm having a really tough time wrapping my head around how you, of all people, are arguing for this. I feel like if this actually occurred, you'd be the very first, or among the very first, to point out the absurdity of a company giving titles away. Literally.
Ok, you don't think that's a good enough example of TNA/GFW/IW giving someone a title? How about the way in which Decay became the tag team champions after the Hardy's left TNA as champs.

I don't know how else to describe it other then.....they were teleported to Championships. That's right, the Hardy's went to use Vangaurd 1 to teleport, and Decay came out the other end with the titles and we're recognized as champions. Go ahead, defend that one lol

Back on subject, Alberto has always been a problem wherever he has gone. He is a PR nightmare for companies. I say it's good that he was stripped and hopefully it's his last chance at being a major player for any company.
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Old 08-15-2017, 10:53 AM
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Were they then officially recognized as champions afterward? If so, that's equally stupid, but I honestly don't remember. I know that they "captured" the titles through that teleportation, but if TNA/GFW honestly recognized them as champions for it, that's not something I'll defend.
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Were they then officially recognized as champions afterward? If so, that's equally stupid, but I honestly don't remember. I know that they "captured" the titles through that teleportation, but if TNA/GFW honestly recognized them as champions for it, that's not something I'll defend.
To my knowledge, they weren't. The titles were vacated, I guess. But Decay did what Trevor Lee did recently with X-Division Championship.
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