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Old 08-14-2017, 03:25 PM
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They had no choice in the matter, KB. You watched the same episodes I did. He was all over them. You simply can't fill that void. What was the alternative — to simply not air content for a month and a half?

This arguably is his punishment. It just took longer than we'd like given GFW's operating model.
I think you misunderstood me a bit.

I'm happy with what TNA did and it was indeed one of their only options aside from fining him. I would have been rather annoyed if he was just back on Impact this week like nothing had happened and it's nice to see them do something to punish someone for a change.

The timing just struck me as a bit odd. They could have managed to leave off the announcement of El Patron vs. Low Ki but other than that, no they probably couldn't have done much else.
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How? They built directly to it through the last month and a half's worth of television content that you appear to agree they had little choice but to air. This isn't like the issue with Bram from 2014 when he was originally suspended as they were running through that horrendous World Title Series yet still airing his matches unnecessarily.

Patron, in this case, was the gravitational center of the entire six weeks' worth of content, so I don't see what choice they had.

If this were WWE, this would have been resolved the day or day after the initial report aired (depending on which day of the week it occurred), but GFW doesn't have the luxury of airing a new, live episode every week. I just don't see what they could have reasonably done that they didn't do. They even kept him suspended after his name was cleared by the police!
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Old 08-14-2017, 04:03 PM
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How? They built directly to it through the last month and a half's worth of television content that you appear to agree they had little choice but to air. This isn't like the issue with Bram from 2014 when he was originally suspended as they were running through that horrendous World Title Series yet still airing his matches unnecessarily.
Just say LAX beat Alberto down off camera and he's recovering from the attack. Low Ki was #1 contender, the title is now his. As for dealing with the announcement of Low Ki vs. Patron for this week, just don't air it in the first place and air a recap or a promo of some sort.

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If this were WWE, this would have been resolved the day or day after the initial report aired (depending on which day of the week it occurred), but GFW doesn't have the luxury of airing a new, live episode every week. I just don't see what they could have reasonably done that they didn't do. They even kept him suspended after his name was cleared by the police!
Strip him of the title earlier? I agree they didn't have many options. I'm trying to give them some credit on something for once here.
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Old 08-14-2017, 04:26 PM
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Except that (a) that's not how titles change hands, and (b) they're currently building toward a Lee/Dutt XD match that's touching on that concept, whereby Lee simply took the title and claimed its status as the heel. If you are arguing for the same, or similar, in Low Ki's case where he effectively takes it, fine, but the problem with that is that it invites Patron to take back "his" title at a later date, and it would be an awful standard for the company to set regarding title theft by booking a match in which Lee (or Low Ki) are recognized as the rightful champion.

As to stripping him earlier, fine, but again, six weeks' worth of broadcasting needed to conclude. I'd argue the timing for stripping him had to happen now as they enter a semi-live event this week. Otherwise, they face a barrage of jokes from an audience they're trying to win back who mock them for more than a month about AEP being champion but not being the champion.

This had to be dealt with pragmatically, and in that sense, this was the right call, both from a brand protection and timing perspective.
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So police suspect that Paige was the one abusing El Patron at the airport, and yet he is stripped of the belt, despite being the victim of "domestic violence".

I thought that it was ruled that he was the victim. I know it is hard for the public to swallow a man being the victim, and the woman being the perpetrator, of domestic violence, but it does happen.

Also, people's hate of El Patron is driven, I think, by the resentment that he got pushed and won the belt "before he was ready" (funny, though, how it doesn't bother the same people that Finn Balor won the belt at his first PPV, or how Shitstain Nakamura might win the WWE Title so soon after being elevated to the main roster, but then, Del Rio isn't anorexic like Balor or Shitstain, he doesn't gyrate to opera music, doesn't paint his face, and was pushed by Vince, and the fans hate that).

I thought Del Rio got pushed too soon as well, but he has a cool finisher, and he puts on quite good matches. I would have liked to have seen a Kurt Angle v Del Rio match in WWE.

I think too, some of the comments are coming from the ten people who still watch that shambles of a company (TNA/GFW), and put over anything they do, and bag anything WWE does, to pretend to have some relevance.

Decisions like this and the standoff of a gimmick Matt Hardy created that saved TNA from going under, show why this company should be put out of its misery, so that I can enjoy the old days of TNA on the "WWE Network" once Vince buys the company and sticks ECIII and whomever else is left , in NXT.
So, you are reaching on assumption on how I personally feel about something while trying to integrate it into your post. Backing a company on a guy who has lost his title as President of Combat Sports (regardless of him resigning from the position or being removed, he no matter what, is no longer President. He was stripped of the title from his fiancé’s parent’s promotion, now he is stripped of the WHC at the GFW, the company who pays him.) He has not painted the picture of being a Champion and this is the guy who once carried the label as Mexican John Cena. Cena, ya know, the guy who carries himself as a company man not a man who thinks he is carrying the company. Patron has had nothing but bad press and for GFW to hold their ground, good on them. They want to emerge from the negative shadow of TNA and become a company that seeks positivity like the glory days of TNA or even now like ROH, EVOLVE, and even Lucha Underground.

You then start to criticize GFW/TNA fans for only having 10 supporters and think they all bash WWE. Yet, pot calling the kettle black as you are bashing GFW by saying the only have 10 fans who are the company’s life line. My post does not bash WWE nor did it bash Patron. Patron can be a highly successful wrestler if he chose to stay that way. He really seems arrogant and it seems to be getting the better of him. He needs to humble himself which is a fans concern.

Again, putting a newer guy right into becoming WHC will always have issues regardless of WWE/ROH/GFW. I am sure people complained when Balor won the WHC so quick, but, since the forum is pro WWE, it was harder to notice vs a TNA thread.

Anthem saved TNA from going under not the Broken Hardy’s. Viewership shows that they did not do well to move the ratings besides that one small bump which was one time only. It is why it is tiring to see or hear so much concern over the gimmick. I get it, Matt Hardy was relevant for once on his own. I personally do not care who wins, I just want the issue to go away.
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So police suspect that Paige was the one abusing El Patron at the airport, and yet he is stripped of the belt, despite being the victim of "domestic violence".

I thought that it was ruled that he was the victim. I know it is hard for the public to swallow a man being the victim, and the woman being the perpetrator, of domestic violence, but it does happen.

Also, people's hate of El Patron is driven, I think, by the resentment that he got pushed and won the belt "before he was ready" (funny, though, how it doesn't bother the same people that Finn Balor won the belt at his first PPV, or how Shitstain Nakamura might win the WWE Title so soon after being elevated to the main roster, but then, Del Rio isn't anorexic like Balor or Shitstain, he doesn't gyrate to opera music, doesn't paint his face, and was pushed by Vince, and the fans hate that).

I thought Del Rio got pushed too soon as well, but he has a cool finisher, and he puts on quite good matches. I would have liked to have seen a Kurt Angle v Del Rio match in WWE.

I think too, some of the comments are coming from the ten people who still watch that shambles of a company (TNA/GFW), and put over anything they do, and bag anything WWE does, to pretend to have some relevance.

Decisions like this and the standoff of a gimmick Matt Hardy created that saved TNA from going under, show why this company should be put out of its misery, so that I can enjoy the old days of TNA on the "WWE Network" once Vince buys the company and sticks ECIII and whomever else is left , in NXT.
I think him getting stripped of the title and still be suspended is more about his attitude backstage and after tapings and how he handle the situation then the actual situation. Del rio as been a nightmare for them to deal with the last couple of months just by some of the comments he made about WWE after the tapings and the way he just was a prick during the whole time this thing happenned kinda push them to do what was best for the company right now which is a first of TNA or GFW. During the dixie carter era, something like this or the hardy debacle wouldn't have happen because she was more into making friends with the talents then running the company. That's why a lot of wrestlers took advantage of that. Now it's run by a business man so they deal with every situation like if it was a business which is awesome because if TNA would have been run like that since the beginning, they wouldn't be in the mess they are trying to get out of right now.
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I think the best solution at this point for Destination X is to announce the vacating of the title, and then make a 3-way between Lashley, Sydal, and Low Ki for the belt.
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I tend to agree, but the only issue there is that there's truly no face involved. Not with the heel flirting Sydal has done in the last few weeks, or at least the non-traditional baby face efforts he's made.

I suppose they could turn Bobby face, but I'd think that Low Ki would probably win it regardless.

I'm not at all against this idea, though. It's quite pragmatic given the state of affairs since the last tapings.
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Except that (a) that's not how titles change hands,
Titles can change hands however you want them to. This company once had a person find the title in a box and become the official champion (no I'm not saying that was a good idea). Say that he's injured and can't defend the title in X days and is therefore stripped.

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That's not really the same thing. Lee isn't #1 contender and, until last week, wasn't scheduled for a title match.

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If you are arguing for the same, or similar, in Low Ki's case where he effectively takes it, fine, but the problem with that is that it invites Patron to take back "his" title at a later date, and it would be an awful standard for the company to set regarding title theft by booking a match in which Lee (or Low Ki) are recognized as the rightful champion.
Not if he's not coming back. Just let him fade into memory.

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As to stripping him earlier, fine, but again, six weeks' worth of broadcasting needed to conclude. I'd argue the timing for stripping him had to happen now as they enter a semi-live event this week. Otherwise, they face a barrage of jokes from an audience they're trying to win back who mock them for more than a month about AEP being champion but not being the champion.

This had to be dealt with pragmatically, and in that sense, this was the right call, both from a brand protection and timing perspective.
They knew they were going to have issues when they brought Alberto in. He's had issues everywhere else and there was no reason to believe it wouldn't be here either.

I get why they did it this way, but this is part of the problem with how they tape things, a lot of which is to be blamed on their past issues. There's not much of a way around stuff like this, but I'm still glad they're at least doing it. If nothing else i won't have to put up with Alberto any more.
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Call me a dinosaur, but I'm not one for allowing titles to change hands in an official capacity outside of a bell-to-bell match. It's a bridge too far for me.

I'd imagine you're talking about Eric Young finding the old TNA title, but I'm not sure he was ever recognized as such. He just paraded around wearing it (which was stupid).
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