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Old 07-17-2011, 07:40 AM
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These games aren't the best games ever made that is absolutely ludicrous to say. I don't care if people say they won their match-ups this entire tournament is based on so many biases that it doesn't make any sense as to why we even have it.

Of course people are going to vote for the game they enjoyed playing the best and there isn't a problem with that but in a fair this shouldn't be what gets your vote. It should something based on the aspects of the game not this Nostalgia people feel towards the game. Fuck even Lee said in a previous post don't vote based on nostalgia and the majority of you are shitting on anyone who repeats this. You'll blast anyone who isn't someone for repeating this.

If you truly compare the games Mario Kart is better in the individual aspects of the game. Nostalgia effects is to each their own but as a game itself it is so much better.

Red Rep Me I don't care I speak the truth and won't comform to this idea that this tournament should be based on Nostalgia.
Are you a 12 year old? Because you type like one.

Look, you can't say that this tournament shouldn't be based on nostalgia in a matchup between a Super Nintendo game and a Nintendo 64 game. Both systems are several generations old and are good games. If you think people are voting LTTP because of nostalgia, and the people who are voting MK64 are not, you're mental.

Play Mario Kart 64 again some time, people. I did, so I could accurately vote, and what I found was a game with poor AI, bland course design with the exception of some very memorable ones, a terrible drifting system, and an item-giving algorithm that's deeply flawed. I was in second place and they gave me a lightning bolt! The game's fun and all, but it's been surpassed so much by Mario Kart DS, or Mario Kart Double Dash. I'll take Double Dash's interesting Luigi Raceway any day over Mario Kart 64's flat, looping track, or MKDS' Yoshi Falls over pretty much any of the filler Mario Kart 64 courses.

A Link To The Past has not aged nearly as poorly as Mario Kart 64. The graphics, level design, and gameplay are as fresh as they ever were. It's deeper, more complex yet easy to pick up, and is just better all around.

Let me get one thing straight - I played Mario Kart 64 a ton when I was a kid. I first played and beat LTTP three years ago. So don't you dare accuse me of voting for nostalgia. I'm voting for the better game.
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:43 AM
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A Link to the Past is not the best Zelda game. it is not even in my top 5 Zelda games. It lacks in visual represenation of the events that are occuring and overall takes away the experience.
It really doesn't, it's visually superior to MK64 and I'll stand by that. Play both right now, which one looks like crap. Exactly.

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A Link to The Past has been utterly forgotten by a good portion of the world. You don't hear people bring back its fame or lack of fame. A Link to The Past doesn't have that nostalgic effect and that is its downfall.
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. It should something based on the aspects of the game not this Nostalgia people feel towards the game.
A bit hypocritical?

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Nobody can tell me without lying that that A Link to the Past has overall better qualities then the modern games today. Hell for that matter most of the games in this tournament only got votes for due to nostalgia. This isn't a true video game tournament this is another nostalgia tournament so get through everyone's head while voting.
You're quite bitter about this nostalgia thing. ALTTP does have betetr qualities than a lot of modern games today and definitely more so than MK64 which is what we're voting: LTTP v MK64.

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Mario Kart has become a game that throughout the years has simply been adapted and made to look better, where you could not FIND A Link to the Past anymore.
If you're saying what I think you're saying in that MK64 has been adapted and changed to be better such as MKDD, MKDS, MKGBA and MKWii but then you claim LTTP you won't find, despite the fact that OOT is essentially the same game with upgraded graphics and a few extra elements.

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Mario Kart overall has left a better impression on the gaming universe and for that reason deserves to go over as the better game.
Really? MK64 average review: 84-87% LTTP average review: 92-95%

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Don't get suckered into voting for A Link to the Past due to nostalgia but instead look to Mario Kart has the overall better game.
But you said earlier it had no nostalgia. If people wanted nostalgia SMB3 would have won the full tournament.

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Realize that it topples a Link to the Past in playability, accessability, graphics, you name it.
Playability is very subjective here.
Accessibility is a lie, most people hate the N64 pad and with LTTP you're in the game within two minutes fighting soldiers.
Graphics: If you look at MK64 it looks horrible, blurred textures and has not aged well at all. It looked good at the time, but looks like shit now.
You name it: Story? A key element in video games.

As I've said before MK64 is a great game, tons of fun but some of the things being said about LTTP are just a pile of lies.

There's people like FIzzy who have played the game this week and made a decision based on that, he enjoys MK64 more right now. Then you have people like Doc who came the other way. I'd gladly play both right now. Don't accuse peopel of nostalgia when it involves an N64 game, that's just silly.
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:54 PM
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A Link to the Past is not the best Zelda game. it is not even in my top 5 Zelda games. It lacks in visual represenation of the events that are occuring and overall takes away the experience.
What are you even trying to say here? The visuals are so bad that you can't tell what's happening in the story? Never mind that there's dialogue via text boxes, it's pretty easy to tell that you're traveling between a light and dark world and that Ganon's a boar monster. Jesus, you act as if it's a Commodore 64 game.

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Which is why the game has been constantly praised, referenced, copied, parodied, etc. That must also be the reason it's usually towards the top of many "Best Of" lists form both fans and critics alike. Pretty good for such an "obscure" and "forgotten" game.

It's also funny how you you claim it has no nostalgic effect when it game out an entire generation before MK 64. I'd love to hear your reasoning on that one.

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Nobody can tell me without lying that that A Link to the Past has overall better qualities then the modern games today. Hell for that matter most of the games in this tournament only got votes for due to nostalgia. This isn't a true video game tournament this is another nostalgia tournament so get through everyone's head while voting.
Storytelling? Yes, it does that a hell of a lot better than many of the games today in both style and substance. Level design? Just as brilliant then as it is now. Gameplay? Easy enough for anyone to pick up and play, from combat to item management. As far as the voting goes, voters can vote on any criteria they wish so if they want to go purely on nostalgia, they may do so.

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Mario Kart has become a game that throughout the years has simply been adapted and made to look better...,
And so has Zelda. And Metroid. And Metal Gear. And most games in a long-running series, so your point?

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...where you could not FIND A Link to the Past anymore. I'm nearly positive that I could find Mario Kart 64.
I found ALTTP in the same place I located MK64: The Wii's Virtual Console. Well that wasn't too difficult. Not to mention that ALTTP was re-released on the GBA. So if my math is right, ALTTP is available one more place than MK64 is, which would make it the easier game to find. Well I'll be damned.

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Mario Kart overall has left a better impression on the gaming universe and for that reason deserves to go over as the better game.
Considering that Super Mario Kart started the series and invented kart racer in general, I'd say that game left a bigger mark than MK64 ever did.

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Don't get suckered into voting for A Link to the Past due to nostalgia but instead look to Mario Kart has the overall better game. Realize that it topples a Link to the Past in playability, accessability, graphics, you name it.
Because Mario Kart 64 is such a modern game

I'm not hating on Mario Kart. It was a great game, and I have many fond memories of it. But it is not the better than A Link to the Past.

Playability: Both are easy to play, but the Mario Kart 64 can be pretty imbalanced from annoying catch-up AI to some questionable track design.

Accessibility: They're about even really.

Graphics: The clean, crisp visuals of ALTTP or Mario Kart's rough, jaggy 3D models and muddled textures that only a nostalgic mother can love? Yeah, I'll take Zelda. If you really think otherwise you're either blind or believe 3D automatically means better because most games from the N64/PS era have aged horribly. Many SNES games, haven't aged a day.

Vote: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past.
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Wow, it's hard to believe, for me, that Mario Kart 64 made it to the finals and it's even doing pretty good. Now, let's see, which game is better.

I played both games when I was a kid, and I enjoyed them. But to be honest, I prefer LTTP over Mario Kart, because of the gameplay. And lets be honest, Mario Kart is only fun, in my opinion, in multiplayer, the single player just didn't do it for me.
I had lots of fun with Mario Kart with my friends, but when my friends return home, Mario Kart wasn't the same. So when my friends were gone, I played Legend of Zelda, a game with a great story, gameplay and legacy.

My vote goes to A Link to the Past
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This is easy, LTTP is still one of my favorite games of all time, while MK64 was basically something to kill an hour with friends before we got bored and did something else. Since I've never been much into multiplayer games (aside from the Smash Bros. series), LTTP means far more to me as a gamer then MK64 ever will.

Furthering on the initial statement, I still see people who have never played LTTP and those that have purchasing it for the Wii. For instance my father who's nowhere near a gamer bough it just so he could play it all over again. I think that speaks volumes when a game can suck in someone that otherwise never plays video games at all. The other side of the coin is my wife's younger cousin is a gamer, however he wasn't around for the NES and SNES generations. You can look at his catalog of games and it's mostly FPS and your typical action games for his 360. Yet while we were visiting, he started up the Wii and low and behold he was playing LTTP. Hell I go back and play LTTP on a regular basis, and I've completed the game more times than I can remember. The appeal is there for every generation, even bringing non gamers into the fray. That has pretty much been unheard of in that time, while nowadays it's your casual games like Farmville and Bejeweled that are credited for bringing in nongamers (whether you want to count them as true "gamers" or not is irrelevant, the fact they are playing a simple video game is what counts).

MarioKart 64 meanwhile is a solid party game. It's a fun racer with some interesting battle modes included. However, party games have never held a certain longevity that single player games can. I'll try to refrain from going off on a tangent in that regard, but let's compare a game that is usually played for an hour and then set aside until the next time you have enough people to play it again, with a game that you can easily spend a few hours straight playing. If a game can keep me captivated for multiple hours, that's a sign of an excellent game. MK64 could never do that for me. Only one racing game ever held my interest that long and that was Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition. Not so much for the racing, but for deep car designing they included in the game.

Note: What I refer to as a party game is not necessarily limited to Mario Party type games, I refer to party games as any game that requires multiplayer with people on the same console, ala it's not worth playing unless you have 3 friends at your house. Obviously games like Halo or Gears of War do not fit this description.

Breaking everything down into categories now:

Storyline: MK64 has none, LTTP has one of the more well known stories in video game history.

Gameplay: Kart racing compared to the outstanding action centered gameplay later Zelda games based themselves on. Multiple puzzles, deep dungeon navigation and level design, not to mention a game that gives you an epic feeling of accomplishment once you complete it.

Graphics: MK64 was not the prettiest N64 game, not by a long shot. LTTP was one of the more visually pleasing games for the SNES. Considering the hardware difference between the two, I still think LTTP is the better looking.

Re Playability: This is where MK64 could be better, simply due to the nature of the game. There is no real end game for MK64, while LTTP does not provide a New Game+ mode. However that being said you often hear many people say they have played LTTP over and over again, me being one of them. MK64 should get the not on this regard, again simply due to the nature of the games in question.

Impact: It's been said before, but if LTTP had tanked, there would be no Zelda games. And for the Zelda haters, that would have been great for them (seriously, why do you have to "hate" a certain video game series? If you don't like the game, then let it be as that. I don't like the Halo series anymore, so I don't play any of the games). Whether you like the Zelda games or not, you have to agree that it has become one of the most iconic video game series ever, right on par with Mario, Final Fantasy, etc. LTTP transformed the Zelda series into a video game juggernaut and one of the most important franchises in the video game world to this day. MK64, well it has helped spawn multiple new MarioKart video games that expanded on the original, but did it continue a legacy of a beloved character like LTTP did? Without the success of LTTP there would be no Link, no Zelda, and we would have been devoid of games such as Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, the list goes on. An entire series of excellent games hinged on LTTP in retrospect, I don't remember the pressure ever being on MK64 in such a fashion.

Vote: Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
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Mario Kart 64 PAILS in comparison to A Link To The Past. There is nothing it has over it. At all. How it made it this far is beyond me. Yeah, it's a great game. But there are far better games in my eyes in the Nintendo 64 alone. But lets just see all the evidence as to why A Link To The Past is better:

1) Higher Acclaim


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Aggregate scores
Aggregator Score
GameRankings 92.78% (SNES)
Metacritic 95 (GBA)

Review scores
Publication Score
Allgame 5/5 stars (SNES)
GameSpot 9.2/10 (GBA)
IGN 9.7/10 (GBA)
Nintendo Power 4.9/5 (SNES)
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Aggregate scores
Aggregator Score
GameRankings 87%
Metacritic 83 of 100
Review scores
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Edge 8 of 10
Electronic Gaming Monthly A
GamePro 5 of 5
GameSpot 6.4 of 10
IGN 8.1 of 10
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In 2005, IGN editors placed it 11th in its "Top 100 Games", while readers voted it to 5th place. The following year Entertainment Weekly chose it as the best game of all-time. Members of GameFAQs ranked it the 4th best, and readers of Japanese magazine Famitsu ranked it 31st in a 2006 poll. It also placed 3rd in Electronic Gaming Monthly's list, 23rd in GameInformer's, and 3rd in a best 200 Nintendo games list by Nintendo Power. In July 2007, readers of the magazine Edge voted it sixth in a poll of the 100 best games of all time. ScrewAttack placed it 2nd on their list of top 20 Super Nintendo games.[53] It was awarded Best Sequel of 1992 by Electronic Gaming Monthly. The game placed eighth (the second-highest Zelda game on the list) in Official Nintendo Magazine's "100 greatest Nintendo games of all time" list. In 2009, Game Informer put A Link to the Past 12th on their list of "The Top 200 Games of All Time", saying that it "remains a blast today".
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Mario Kart 64 received generally positive reviews. The game has an average review ratio of 87% on Game Rankings, including reviews from IGN and GamePro, and magazines such as Electronic Gaming Monthly. IGN stated, "Though the single-player mode is a bit of a step back from the SNES original, Mario Kart 64 still offers one of the best multiplayer experiences to be had on Nintendo 64." GameSpot insisted that though the graphics and sound of the game are impressive, the gameplay is too easy and lacks depth. In GameSpot's re-review of the Virtual Console release the reviewer criticized its sound, lack of ghost-saving, and graphics, saying the latter had "aged rather poorly." The game placed 17th in Official Nintendo Magazine's 100 greatest Nintendo games of all time. Mario Kart 64 sold approximately 5.5 million copies in the United States and 2.24 million in Japan. Joystiq reported in February 2009 that the game had sold over nine million copies worldwide
According to this, Zelda was better than Mario Kart all over. It is rated higher by reviewers, it is placed higher in lists, and did not feature downsides on re-releases. It's done all that over Mario Kart 64 In TWO SEPARATE CONSOLES. Which leads to my next point.

2) Older, But Still Kicking Ass

A Link To The Past was released in November 1991. Making it my age. 20. Mario Kart was released in 1996. Making it 15 years old. In that time, Mario Kart has seen a re-release via the Wii's Virtual Console. But so has Zelda. Wait. It was also re-released on the Gameboy Advance. Meaning, it has portability, and a wider choice of consoles. Another reason it's superior.

3) Gameplay


Mario Kart was among the top party games of the N64. A console that became a great success because of said party games. MK featured a simple look with simple gameplay that grasped anyone and took full advantage of 4 control scheme of the console. Simply put, Mario Kart was better for parties than Mario Party/lousypun] However, that was most of it. It's singleplayer mode was something you could finish in a day if you had nothing else to do. Play four 4 Cup's composed of 4 races with 3 different speeds. Then Do it backwards. That was it. After that, if you didn't have a friend to play with, the game offered no more.

A Link To The Past rather obviously focuses on singleplayer. Having the player go on for hours on end with a large variety of puzzles minigames and dungeons. It features a large variety of items to collect as well. Giving it the replay value Mario Kart can only get via multiplayer. Hell, the GBA version of A Link To The Past added a multiplayer fuction of it's own. The co-op game Four Swords. Yeah, it's a separate game. It's still in the same cartridge as A Link To The Past. So it even has multiplayer covered. Oh no!

Mario Kart is fun only when you have friends. Zelda is fun any time. And any place if you have it on a handheld.

4) Artistic Value

I dare to compare MK64 and LTTP to The Cat In The Hat and Oedipus Rex respectively. Why? One may be more mainstream but the other has far more depth, understanding and exploitation of emotions. Another comparison I'd be willing to make is MK64/Scary Movie and LTP/Blazing Saddles. Scary Movie may be more modern and better looking, but Blazing Saddles didn't rely on dipping into crude jokes that everyone relates to via pop culture and instead made you laugh by exploiting racial and political issues. Simply put that it may be more outdated in look, but that can never take away the value it contains in it's story. Mario Kart was simply made to nab kids and make them play together. A simple cash-cow concoction. If Mario Kart is supposed to be better because of this, I gasp at the fact that WiiFit was nowhere to be found in this tournament.



Make the right choice fellow reader. Vote for Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past. Videogames are art. And art is more than visual or commercial satisfaction. It is something that can move your very soul with emotion and understanding. Thank you.
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Well, I voted for Zelda over Pokemon, and I sure as hell am not going to change my vote here. Even though technically speaking, the N64 is a superior gaming system to the SNES, for me, games are always about replay value. Mario Kart 64 is one of the funnest games ever...if you have 3 buddies. It's one of those games that excels in the multiplayer aspect, but falls somewhat short in single player mode. That isn't really a knock on the game itself, its just the game was clearly meant to be played party style, where you can race your friends rather than the computer.

For me, though, I like a game that I can play any time, without friends over. A Link to the Past is one of those games. Not only does it have an awesome storyline, cutting edge graphics (for the SNES) but the simple controls means you don't need much of a learning curve to just play. Simple to learn, but very fun is an ideal combination. Combine that with a great soundtrack, and A Link to the Past is an all around excellent game.

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The entire tournament has been great, and it's a shame that the final can't live up to the prior rounds in the matchup department. Mario Kart 64 is a great game. It's brand of Kart Racing was the best for its time, and the game holds many, many fond memories. However, as has been stated numerous times already here, it's a good game going up against an All-Time Classic.

To get the obvious out of the way, of course MK64 has a better multiplayer factor, since Zelda is 1-player. And MK is a better party game for the same reason. However, party games get their appeal not based on how awesome the games are, but how much fun you have with your friends while playing it. You can get 4 people together to play almost any game, and you'll have the same experience.



Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past is widely considered the greatest (or among the greatest) in the amazing history of the Legend of Zelda series (which ranks in the top 2 or 3 of all time game franchises). Legend of Zelda originated many of the series key elements (2 worlds, hookshot, bottles, Kakariko Village, animal interaction (the bird-warp/bunny-morph), spinning sword attack, and millions (..... and millions) of other things.

Graphically, the 2 games don't even compare, and that's a bad thing for MK. MKs graphics are solid (good for their time), but totally and completely outdated by todays standards. LOZ:LttP has excellent visuals then, and now they still stand up.

Control-wise, LttP wins easily. MK 64s controls were OK, but suffer because of the N64s sub-par controller. LttP's controls were perfect.

Gameplay wise, MK has been surpassed by every version of the game that came out after. Better AI, better weapons, better levels, better gimmicks, better vehicles, different vehicles, etc. LOZ:LttP is (as mentioned already) considered among the elite in the series. The AI hasn't really changed much (if at all), the gimmicks have never been topped, and the story was among the tops in the series.

Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past was absolutely incredible, and is among the greatest games of all time. Mario Kart 64 was a very good game in its time (maybe even a great game in its time), but time has really lessened its value. Time has not only not hurt Link to the Past, but it really may have made it even better.

My vote: Legend of Zelda: Link To The Past
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I loved playing both of these games growing up. For Mario Kart 64, I played it alot with my friends and family when they were over. However, when you're playing it by yourself it becomes immensely boring. It's much more entertaining when you're playing with two or more people.

As for A Link to the Past, whenever I went to my cousin's house, I'd either play OoT on his 64, or Link to the Past on his SNES. I thought A Link to the Past was very enjoyable and was overall entertaining. Fast forward a few years later. On my 15th birthday, I had my very own copy of A Link to the Past for the Game Boy Advance. I played it, and was hit by a wave of nostalgia and memories. While the audio wasn't as crisp as on the SNES, it was still enjoyable. I played it more than the other GBA games that I had owned. The story was great, the visuals were amazing, and I still had a blast with the game.

Like I said, Mario Kart is entertaining, but mainly when you have others playing with you. ALTTP is a great game to play and immerse yourself in.

Vote: A Link to the Past.
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