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Old 06-07-2018, 07:56 PM
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Why Raw has become so uninteresting....

1) No World Champion (Lesnar is never there!)
2) The Shakeup was a disaster!!! They lost Miz, The Bar, Asuka, Jeff Hardy, & Samoa Joe and got back Mahal, Roode, Owens & Zayn, Ziggler & McIntyre
3) Lashley has no personality yet they have him cut dumb soft promos???
4) Stroman doesn't seem to have a clear direction
5) Reigns needs a heel turn to save himself
6) Roode & Elias have inconsistent booking
7) Female division is clearly now all about Rousey which is not good enough to keep it strong.

How to fix it....
1) Summerslam - Lesnar vs. Reigns
* Heel turn (The Shield reunites and is lead by a flipping Heyman) they give Lesnar a 3 on 1 beatdown and Reigns becomes heel champion. A heeled NWO type version of The Shield with Paul Heyman would be so over!!!!
2) Face turn Kevin Owens (He needs a reset)
3) Put the I-C strap on Elias and give him a long title reign
4) Have Stroman feud with Lashley before he eventually takes the Title from Reigns.
5) Break up the B Team & Wyatt/Hardy and put Bray Wyatt with Bo Dallas (The Wyatts)
6) Reform American Alpha with Jordan & Gable
7) Mid Card Heel Stable - Baron Corbin, Drew McIntyre, Dolph Ziggler, & Bobby Roode (Call them Elite Incorporated)
8) Put the tag straps on Ambrose/Rollins until they eventually drop them to American Alpha or the Authors of Pain.
9) Heel turn Sasha Banks (she's so much better as a heel)
10) Charlotte should win the MIB and cash in on Rousey after her Title defense at Summerslam. Then slow build this feud with Rousey winning the Rumble and challenging Charlotte at Mania. Stephanie can make excuses why Rousey just can't get at Title shot until then. Heel female group lead by Charlotte (Flair, Banks, & Bliss)
11) Introduce Women's Tag belts and have Banks & Bliss be the first champions! With Bailey & N. Jax as their main contenders!

Do all that and the Wrestling community would definitely enjoy Monday Raw again.
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Old 06-08-2018, 12:14 AM
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It does suck and it has for a while now. Brock holding the Universal Championship hostage for so long is the biggest, but not the only, reason for why. Vince's insisting on pushing Roman despite many fans hating him is another reason. There's so many guys stuck with nothing to do and it was really only the female division that was keeping me watching for a while. Once Nia got the title I almost gave up on Raw. Hopefully Ronda wins the title or we get a cash-in. The sooner Raw has a top championship up for grabs monthly again the better. Making Rollins or Strowman the Universal Champion and having Ronda or Alexa as the Raw Women's Champion would change things for the better for the red brand. Not having so many repetitive matches would also help, but that's a whole other topic. Smackdown and NXT are great at least.
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Old 06-08-2018, 05:36 AM
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It does suck and it has for a while now. Brock holding the Universal Championship hostage for so long is the biggest, but not the only, reason for why. Vince's insisting on pushing Roman despite many fans hating him is another reason. There's so many guys stuck with nothing to do and it was really only the female division that was keeping me watching for a while. Once Nia got the title I almost gave up on Raw. Hopefully Ronda wins the title or we get a cash-in. The sooner Raw has a top championship up for grabs monthly again the better. Making Rollins or Strowman the Universal Champion and having Ronda or Alexa as the Raw Women's Champion would change things for the better for the red brand. Not having so many repetitive matches would also help, but that's a whole other topic. Smackdown and NXT are great at least.
I get your point but put yourself in vince's shoes for one moment. It's getting harder and harder to please everybody. The whole Vince pushing reigns while fans is rejecting him is bullshit in my opinion since I Don't see reigns getting a bigger push then any of the other top guys in the company.

As for lesnar, It's a catch 22 in my opinion, smart fans would complain either way about him. They complain about him not being here all the time and they would complain if he was there all the time so they are doing what's best for business and using him and the universal championship as a special attraction just like they would do in UFC.

I agree that Raw is boring and that It's been boring for a while now, but in my opinion, It's not the fault of one person but more of the fact that we have seen pretty much every combination they could have with the guys they want to feature. Reigns as feuded with everybody, so did Rollins ,balor, Owens & strowman just to name those. It's time to use those guys to create new stars that can freshen up the product. You need to not do so many long matches so that we Don't lose interest midway through and finally you need to stop doing the same matches over and over again.

Smackdown as the same problem but it doesn't show as much since It's only 2 hours so they're less time to waste like raw as.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:41 AM
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And I don't mean that as in "Thiiiisssss suuuuuuuccckksss!, I mean like WOW...this sucks.
i do agree that RAW is really sucking right now and i'll tell you why later on.

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Bobby Lashley needs to be future endeavored, good lord almighty! so this, this is what TNA were building their company around. They're better off now.
ok, this is DISagree with badly. Bobby Lashley should NOT get future endeavored. his issues are ALL WWE's fault. i dont think you have watched TNA have you?? if you actually watched it, you will quickly see that Bobby Lashley is BEST used as a heel. he's not a smiley face babyface, he's a serious heel. Book Lashley like they book Lesnar (only he's there all the time). have him go out, kick butt and if he says something, say it seriously, no stupid smiling face unless he's doing something heelish.

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Sami Zayn is not funny, hasn't been funny except Montreal where the crowd would have blown him & KO had they told them too.
oh i disagree here....Sami is a laugh out loud moment for me almost every week, the issue is who he's working with. have Sami feud with a midcard face...honestly, my hope is that eventually he takes the IC title off Rollins or he and Owens win the tag team titles.

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The storylines, matches absolutely nothing makes this show watchable. I was cringing like I was watching Impact in 2011
i agree. the storylines are awful.....Lashley is a smiling face instead of a beastly heel, Bobby Lashley isnt speaking and when he does, he speaks like a face instead of (again) a natural heel. Drew McIntyre is a heel in a tag team instead of a singles face. if Drew turns face, Lashley turns heel and Roode turns heel, then RAW will instantly improve. McIntyre vs. Sami Zayn or Owens would be great

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Roman/Jinder...
i'm ok with this for now only because they are booking faces as heels instead of booking correctly....now if 2 or 3 months from now Jinder is still one of their top heels, then i'll hate this more than i do.

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The Women's division and storylines...
the only thing i dont like is Nia's flip flopping....keep her a heel, i kinda hope Ronda Rousey wins the women's title and eventually feuds with all the women in singles matches.

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If Strowman wasn't breaking random things and Bobby's entrance not been so sweet I had have never even checked the highlights.
Bobby's entrance is cool...the issue is he should be a heel....as for Strowman, here's what i think WWE NEEDS to do AT the Money in the Bank PPV. Take Braun out of the match by having Bobby Lashley attack Strowman and have Lashley take Strowman out of the match. it would quickly turn Lashley heel (which he is a natural at) and set him up in a great feud with Braun where the match will be great....in fact, maybe even keep Braun out until SummerSlam to set up the one on one showdown......as for Bobby Roode, have him win the briefcase and then have him hold it for months and have him cash in at Survivor Series....have him turn heel, sometime at summerslam or earlier and have him use his gimmick of being entitled. that would make Roode quickly better since he's a great heel promo.

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And I watched SD last week, good show. New Day tore the house down.
Smackdown is in GREAT shape. the only issues is Cass is not any better and there's TOO many tag teams that it feels like the show needs to be 3 hours and Carmella can't wrestle well at all. there are tag teams growing out of their ears so the tag division is in great shape and the midcard has strong potential with Rusev, Hardy, Miz (for now), Almas and eventually i'd put Eric Young in the US title picture....the main event has Nakamura, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Daniel Bryan and the potential to get better is so high. i'm exicted to eventually see Joe as champion (who'll do great things on the show).
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Old 06-09-2018, 12:11 PM
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I agree that it does suck as does WWE as whole right now more than I've ever seen. There just doesn't seem to be much passion or creativity anymore. It's almost too controlled and feels forced. I do have to see that Smackdown has been getting somewhat better than where they were before Wrestlemania but not yet back to where they were at end of 2016/Beginning of 2017. NXT I just categorize differently because they seem to get things right and aren't cheesy or bland like Raw.

Raw feels very unimportant. People talk about it not being like the Attitude Era anymore...hell, it's not even close to the 2010-2012 era let alone Attitude Era!! Here's some ideas:
get the title off Lesnar and get it on Rollins (who they should've been pushing like Roman was),

turn Roman heel

get Strowman out of multi-man matches and continue as monster

push Elias in IC title pic,

turn Roode heel as well like he was in NXT

get AOP and Revival into the tag scene and push

although I like some of Zayn's heel work, get him back to underdog face and have him feud for IC title

Have a returning Ambrose turn heel on Ambrose or Reigns or both

Reunite Jordan when he returns with Gable for face American Alpha w/ Angle as supporter and book properly against AOP/Revival

Make the feud w/ heel Sasha and face Bayley happen!

Get McIntyre in a title pic scene whether heel or face

Same with Ziggler (SD actually messed up turning him heel after he was gaining traction as IC champ in late 2016)

Just some thoughts. I know probably too many heels and not enough faces but these roles would better suit them and freshen things up a bit
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:26 PM
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WWE seems to book Raw in a way that actively tries to get fans out of interest and emotion with the show.

When Roman Reigns is getting heavy boos and he isn't even acting heelish, just imagine how much MORE heat he would get if he took that and ran with it. If he was able to trash talk the fans, build a "Roman Empire" faction and send his supporters out to do dirty work for him. He'd be an even bigger heel and one that most fans couldn't WAIT to see get his ass kicked! (That's WHAT YOU WANT the fans to feel if pro wrestling is done right)

Then, you just need to get the natural babyface (or babyfaces) to feud against him. They get chances but get screwed over. They sometimes get a bit of revenge in a segment or two but ultimately you build to the PPV where the babyface gets a big chance to beat the evil heel. And you can stretch that out over 2-3 months depending how you do that. But Roman being heel can last as long as he gets good heel heat.


Braun Strowman is over as a monster babyface. Brock Lesnar is the Universal Champ but because he's not there very much it's so hard to build a narrative for the show that's really intense and intriguing.

I hate to call back to the AE, but imagine if when heel Triple H and his faction were running rampant in WWF, working dirty, using manipulation and under-handed tactics to win .... if all those tactics and heat-earning trash talk and promos had NOTHING to do with the WWF Title and the WWF Title was not on the show, some other guy was holding it and it rarely was brought up.

Would that not be one of the most foolish things to do if they have any hope to retain or gain viewership?

They were already WINNING the WWF vs WCW war in 2000 yet they didn't just sit there and give up with intense storylines based around the WWF Title.

What if, Braun Strowman, the accepted monster babyface came out on Raw and said he is SICK AND TIRED of Universal Champ Lesnar being absent. (Much more meaningful coming from Braun instead of Roman, because Roman is not an accepted babyface) And he DEMANDS either Lesnar start showing up AND DEFEND his Universal Title or HE will FIND HIM and MAKE HIM! Just that statement alone would set an interesting tone!

Then, so much could happen from there. Braun could end up doing remote pieces where he shows up at a place he knows Lesnar is going to be, or maybe he find Heyman and get Heyman to tell where Lesnar is, then Braun gets Lesnar in the ring and in a Raw match for the Universal Title ... looks like he's going to win but some screwy, heelish finish happens and Lesnar gets away ... this would lead to a great PPV match for the title which Braun should then WIN and FINALLY Braun will be Universal Champ and have a good reason to tune into Raw every night to find out: a. What will Lesnar do now that he lost the title? What will the rematch be like? b. If Lesnar can't beat Braun then who on earth can stop Braun? (And this would be a good place for a heel Roman Reigns faction to work)



This is part of the reason I say Raw is too relaxed and disjointed. It's disjointed because a lot of the time the natural heels and faces aren't allowed to play those characters and it's too relaxed because Raw is 3 damn hours and it's 10x LESS interesting and intense than 2 hours of any random Raw from 18-20 years ago.


That said, it is NOT super far off for WWE and Raw to get back to a better show.
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Problem is, WWE doesn't care about TV ratings anymore, as there is no real competition. All they care about are network subscriptions and social media activity.

RAW should not be three plus hours long, It seems like they have no long-term direction. You have a champion who is nob-existent, and your supposed top babyface, Reigns, is getting a heal reaction whenever he is in the building. They promoted as this unstoppable monster, only to have him win the tag titles at mania with a child, and the whole "These hands" gimmick that was out of character for him. and since they have no idea what to do with him. OWens has been a disappointment since coming over, Roode needs to be a heel, and the tag division is a joke with the B team and Rhino/Slater, and no storyline for Wyatt and Hardy. The Woman's division has been terrible since Alexa Bliss dropped the title and Asuka moved to Smackdown.

Raw has only two goods things going now, Rollins and Elias. They are the only reasons to watch.
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Problem is, WWE doesn't care about TV ratings anymore, as there is no real competition. All they care about are network subscriptions and social media activity.

RAW should not be three plus hours long, It seems like they have no long-term direction. You have a champion who is nob-existent, and your supposed top babyface, Reigns, is getting a heal reaction whenever he is in the building. They promoted as this unstoppable monster, only to have him win the tag titles at mania with a child, and the whole "These hands" gimmick that was out of character for him. and since they have no idea what to do with him. OWens has been a disappointment since coming over, Roode needs to be a heel, and the tag division is a joke with the B team and Rhino/Slater, and no storyline for Wyatt and Hardy. The Woman's division has been terrible since Alexa Bliss dropped the title and Asuka moved to Smackdown.

Raw has only two goods things going now, Rollins and Elias. They are the only reasons to watch.
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I've not missed a WWE PPV in 2 straight years. Then Greatest Royal Rumble came around and it was a disaster so I skipped half of it. Then skipped the next PPV entirely. I don't watch Raw or SD at all anymore and really didn't on a regular basis anyway. Where are the compelling stories? Where's the dominant heel faction? The world title isn't even on the show, and the WWE has the best roster they've ever had. Just look at the talent they have top to bottom and SOMEHOW they don't have ONE compelling storyline going on at Raw. Its unbelievable. Just do a quick internet search and check out a random Raw from June 1997. Half the talent but immediately you see they have The Hart Foundation in the middle or revolving around the main stories with HBK picking at them. Undertaker wrestling regularly so he's a walking storyline on his own. Just those two things would make me want to watch Raw. WWE currently doesn't know how to make their show interesting or tell any kind of story to make their product watchable.
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I've not missed a WWE PPV in 2 straight years. Then Greatest Royal Rumble came around and it was a disaster so I skipped half of it. Then skipped the next PPV entirely. I don't watch Raw or SD at all anymore and really didn't on a regular basis anyway. Where are the compelling stories? Where's the dominant heel faction? The world title isn't even on the show, and the WWE has the best roster they've ever had. Just look at the talent they have top to bottom and SOMEHOW they don't have ONE compelling storyline going on at Raw. Its unbelievable. Just do a quick internet search and check out a random Raw from June 1997. Half the talent but immediately you see they have The Hart Foundation in the middle or revolving around the main stories with HBK picking at them. Undertaker wrestling regularly so he's a walking storyline on his own. Just those two things would make me want to watch Raw. WWE currently doesn't know how to make their show interesting or tell any kind of story to make their product watchable.
Good points made all around.

It's like WWE forgot what made them most popular in the late 90s, early 2000s. And people think it was just the swearing, blood and scantily clad women. But really, that was only a side thing. I mean there were things back then couldn't do now, like men hitting women and regular hardcore matches. But, you could still do MOST of the things done back then just the same today.

In fact, it's been about 20 years, and a lot of the WWE fans are young kids so "Creative" could literally just take the storylines from any random period in the AE and copy and paste the feuds and actions and give them to the current roster and the kids wouldn't really notice. They would probably be shocked at how good the storylines actually are.


And even if they don't want to do that, fine, but don't forget what makes good, compelling storytelling: Villainous characters you hate and want to see them get comeuppance, popular, likeable characters that you want to see succeed and a constantly building feud between these characters that culminates at a climax (usually the PPV match).

And if you look at Raw right now it's very hard to find anything compelling with those types of characters. It's like WWE gave up on having actual heels, doing dirty, despicable things.

Where are the heels on Raw? Elias is the closest one, as he'll give out surprise attacks with a guitar or something like that. Corbin might be a heel but he's not heelish enough, often enough for anyone to care about. Owens has decent trash talk but doesn't really do much dirty work and his in-ring style is kind of fun so it's hard to not like him.

Don't even get me started on the Women's Division. This whole "I respect you ... so let's FIGHT!" has got to go. I don't want to see two people face off who respect each other before they've had enough of a career in the business to have earned that respect. And whoever is playing the heel should NOT be respecting the other opponent. That's not good, compelling storytelling.

Imagine Gaston in Beauty and the Beast. If he saw the Beast and said "I respect you, I don't judge you by your appearance ... but, oh what the heck, let's still fight!" How dull would that be. I mean, we tell stories about heros overcoming the odds against villains because we like to see good prevail. But, even brothers in the same family fight and show disrespect to each other at times ... doesn't mean they can't later learn to understand each other better. And that's where turns come in, face turns and new alliances.

But Raw is not "RAW" anymore, it's more like "Barely Raw, Mostly Soft and Cuddly." And if you want to watch that, watch Care Bears. Decent show for what it's worth, but if you watch Raw it should look and feel RAW and intense.
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