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Old 05-29-2018, 11:34 AM
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ok here's my problem with the shows and what they need work on

1) RAW-- First problem is booking of 4 guys. Roman Reigns is a great heel, but forget turning him cause Vince wont do it....ok, then turn Lashley heel. he's an awful face, but he's proven that he's a great heel. Turn Roode heel, did Vince watch NXT?? that is what Roode does best, be heelish. break McIntyre away from Ziggler, turn him face. McIntyre is a great face. Another issue is the lack of tag teams, i feel the Usos should've been moved to RAW (with Noami), but instead WWE moved both The Bar and Anderson and Gallows.....if wwe books Roode, McIntyre and Lashley right, then their show would change from eh to really good and it will be great when Lesnar is NOT the champion (since the champion would be on the show). Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn help makes the show great as well as Seth Rollins, but they need to book those other 3 better....same with Roman, but he's not changing.

2) their issue is the booking of Cass, he needs a tag team partner. he's not that good in the ring or on the mic. he belongs in a team, maybe with The Miz as a bodyguard. another issue is that women's division has a bad wrestler holding their title and finally too many tag teams. Smackdown's main event scene though is great. Nakamura, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan by themselves can make a main event. Miz will likely re-join the main event and be great there, same with Hardy and Andrade "Cien" Almas could be great in the main event when the time comes. Smackdown just has been booked as a B show so long that people dont realize how good it can be with those guys on it.

3) NXT's issue is the night it's on (for one) and it feels a bit too short to get all the guys on the show, but it also makes it must see at times because it's not a long show. another issue is it needs more tag teams, but it's a fine show.

4) 205 Live suffered from it's previous damage that was done before Triple H got his hands on it. Enzo really hurt the show with his lame wrestling and annoying promos. it's gotten better lately...the only thing they really need is more main event players on their show (mostly heels).
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Old 05-29-2018, 12:19 PM
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Turn Roode heel, did Vince watch NXT?? that is what Roode does best, be heelish.
I agree with you but that's the problem in a nutshell, Vince does watch NXT or at less glance at it once and a while and read the reports from HHH and while Roode was a great heel in NXT, that did translate well on screen because Fans was cheering for the guys non stop so at first glance you might think, Roode is a great Babyface listen to the reaction he's getting in NXT so we're going to make him a face on the main roster because that's how he perceive the Roode character base on the reaction.

Vince doesn't have time to watch everything, that's why he has HHH and other working with him. So when somebody like Roode gets called up and you watch his stuff on NXT and he the most over babyface on the show despite being a Heel, you go with the flow and put him in a babyface role even if that's the wrong thing to do.
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:33 PM
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So basically you want Heel stables again...and Iím all for it. The Four Horsemen carried the NWA. The New World Order pushed WCW past the WWF. D-Generation X helped take back the top spot. The days when Evolution and the Cabinet were running Raw and Smackdown respectively were the peak of the WWE. TNAís best chance to overtake WWE were with the Main Event Mafia.

We need a group consisting of a main eventer, a mid-carder, and a tag team, to feud with Faces, and intertwine storylines. I would take it a step further and create interesting-brand stables. Then again, that could be counterproductive of the WWE trying to keep the Brands separate.

One example could be Braun Strowman teaming up with Matt Hardy and Bray Wyatt on Monday, and have Jeff Hardy teaming up with the Bludgeon Brothers on Tuesday. The Hardy Boyz and the Wyatt Family could be the strongest faction today.

Indeed, I will admit it, I'd be interested in seeing more serious heel factions. Ones that you can't help ignore. Obviously, one the best ways to do that is, like you said, have a faction with a main eventer, mid-carder and a tag team. That way each member can be involved in a title feud and make the babyfaces in that feud more interesting because of what they are fighting against.

There's just a little too much individuality in WWE today. Sure, each character has to stand out and have their own personality, but if there is a main heel faction (or two) then sometimes it's a faster track to certain characters making a name for themselves and IF NOTHING ELSE, it's more interested in week-to-week television.


The last big thing like this that I can remember in WWE was probably The Shield. And that was only 3 guys, but they were booked a mysterious, intense and unpredictable. That made EVERY episode interesting. What was going to happen next? Who are they going to attack? And why?

Around the same time the Wyatt Family formed and made things more interesting as well.


Now, a lot can be said about how those storylines ended and if The Wyatt Family could have been booked better (it's funny though, people may forget that the Wyatt Family actually won the first battle at a PPV vs The Shield), but you know what? I would MUCH rather be disappointed in the end result of interesting story developments like the stables of The Shield and Wyatt Family than be bored to tears by the pretty dull and slow moving week-to-week developments in WWE today.


Another big storyline that was impossible not to notice was The Nexus debut and, basically, takeover of Raw. Now, do I have some problems with how it developed? Sure. I think the members looked just a little too silly in trunks and the Nexus T-Shirt even in times when it didn't make sense to wear trunks like the apparent 'out of nowhere' debut and crashing of Raw. And, of course, Barrett and Nexus losing their first big PPV match was admittedly a mis-step.

But, some things were still salvaged by just the fact The Nexus debuted in such a major way. There was some interesting developments with feuds such as Barrett vs Cena, then later with Punk and the New Nexus. All of that, even in it's failures, was far more interesting week to week than most of what WWE is offering these days.

I mean, for crying out loud, I'm trying to give credit for where credit is due... but you have a group like The Riott Squad debut ... and ... then aren't all that dominant. Say, what? Then why even debut them as a group? Why even debut them as a group if they aren't going to systematically takeover the Women's Division through dirty tactics, manipulation and power? If we were standing here today and The Riott Squad debuted and was booked very strong (also very dirty to gain heel heat) and there was Ruby Riott as Women's Champ and let's say Bayley was targeted early on and got (storyline) injured by a ruthless attack, then other women came to step up but also got over-powered and beat down and the question right now would be "Who can stop the Riott Squad?" rather than "Who cares about the Riott Squad?" then you would have a more interesting show for everybody.



So, I like all the ideas coming from the people posting. Lots of good points made.

And I'd like to say that, yes, some people just complain about WWE no matter what they do, so those people will never be happy with the product. However, I think more people who follow the product even on a casual basis and who grew up with it would LIKE for it to be great and DO give it credit when it has interesting storylines, matches and feuds.

So I don't think actual fans are that much of a problem as it is that fans are asking for more interesting shows and don't feel like they are getting it often enough.
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:51 AM
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WWE right now have one of the best rosters in their history, the problem is, they do fine, but there are some tweaks possible to jump on the next level with their main weekly shows:
1) RAW - raw running with the wrong guy at the top in the wrong role. Reigns should be silent badass, not a face, not a heel, not a promotalker, just a silent badass, THIS is his perfect role.
- Roode, as said before should be uppermidcard heel, not face, not dancing with Hose or whatever his name is.
- Rollins should be the guy to represent the show, based on the reactions, and on the talent, THIS is the guy people want to see as their Universal champion and he deserve it, like right now

2) Smackdown - SD became much better with the last draft, but still can be better
- Carmella - Charlotte - Asuka - is there any doubt that Carmella is Jinder Mahal of SD women's division who fans wants to forget about as quick as possible? Carmella, if anything should get a big push before she ever touches the other two, and even then, she is not on their level.
Women's division need a freash face here, from NXT, who fans can get behind and finally have good feuds and matches.
- Main Event scene need 1 more Star to look proper. There are 1 way to make it happen and 2 choices right now, with each oppening new heights and opportunities for SD:
the way - the winner of MitB 2018 cash in on SD champion, and moved to the blue brand
2 choices:
- Strowman - be fair, he will look (and probably will book as such) as a transitional champ between Lesnar and Reigns and will lose all the creadibility in the process, while on Smackdown he will look like a number 1 and have enough talented heels to work with. Braun should beat Shinsuke Nakamura, who deserve the belt, but will not run with it long anyway.
- Owens - the guy will be right home on SD Live with all the talent this show have, he can easily be the last puzzle piece this show need, he have a chemistry and history with all the top guys here and his return will give Shane one more slap in the face, which some fans probably want to see (but not the cintinuation of this horrible feud)

3) NXT - with Jericho, Mysterio and Rhodes (with friends) serfing around, but not willing to work for WWE full time anymore, E will be stupid not to use them for their Takeovers.
- big Reunion PPV once a year - with guys like Nakamura, Bryan, Rollins, Owens, Zayn wrestling here along with the current talents on their roster - to remind people who NXT produced and to make a dream indy show for all indy marks out there.
If NXT can have itself a TV deal, then it's all other story hovewer.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:22 AM
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Like I wrote before, WWE doesn't need to change anything. Like it or not, they book the product for advertisers and whoever is willing to pay big bucks for tv rights so they won't change a thing because they Don't need to change anything.

We can fantasy book all we want but in the end, It's just that, us fantasy booking the promotion because we think that we know more about what wwe need then the peoples running the company. Fans for the most part are going to the show for the brand itself more then any wrestler on the roster.

Nobody is the face of raw or smackdown anymore. It's all about who sell more merchandise now more then ever and less about the actual product because they know that fans will show up no matter how bad the product is.

We just have to take how WWE was able to increase the tv rights deal for both raw and smackdown even with the ratings being down and the product being subpar. That's the best example of the fact that the wwe brand is bigger then anything they deliver. So all they need to do is pretty what they are doing right now and they will be rolling in money for a long time to come because let's face it, even if Indy wrestling is becoming bigger, they are a long way from being competition to wwe and like it or not, we like bitching about the wwe product so we are going to continue to watch and go to their show just so we can bitch about the wwe product or fantasy book the company.
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Old 06-02-2018, 04:45 AM
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In terms of branding and appeasing their stock holders they don't need to change anything. It does seem these days WWE's wrestling product is secondary and they are more concerned with their corporate image, branding, and TV Deal (which they were getting a lot from anyways regardless of how bad the shows are because even it will still be USA's highest rated show).

As for judging the WWE as a Wrestling promotion yes there's 1000 things they need to change.
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