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View Poll Results: Who wins this match up?
Trish Stratus 8 34.78%
Mickie James 15 65.22%
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Old 02-11-2015, 07:09 AM
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I'd have been happy no matter who went through, Gail and Mickie were my favorites in the tournament but I just had to address the above statement. Gail does have a televised advantage 4:3 but one of her 4 is via DQ. Both girls have 2 clean championship defense wins over the other and neither has ever managed to wrangle a title from the other. They really couldn't be closer head to head.

1 18.07.2013 Total Nonstop Action Wrestling TNA Women's Knockout Title: Mickie James (c) defeats Gail Kim (7:05)
IMPACT Wrestling #472 @ Broadbent Arena in Louisville, Kentucky, USA
TV-Show
2 29.11.2012 Total Nonstop Action Wrestling Mickie James defeats Gail Kim (4:59)
IMPACT Wrestling #438 @ Universal Studios in Orlando, Florida, USA
TV-Show
3 29.02.2012 Total Nonstop Action Wrestling Gail Kim defeats Mickie James (6:00)
IMPACT Wrestling #401 @ Universal Studios in Orlando, Florida, USA
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4 08.01.2012 Total Nonstop Action Wrestling TNA Women's Knockout Title: Gail Kim (c) defeats Mickie James by DQ (6:27)
TNA Genesis 2012 @ Universal Studios in Orlando, Florida, USA
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5 13.12.2011 Total Nonstop Action Wrestling TNA Women's Knockout Title: Gail Kim (c) defeats Mickie James (14:06)
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TV-Show
6 11.12.2011 Total Nonstop Action Wrestling TNA Women's Knockout Title: Gail Kim (c) defeats Mickie James (7:45)
TNA Final Resolution 2011 @ Universal Studios in Orlando, Florida, USA
Pay Per View
7 17.08.2009 World Wrestling Entertainment WWE Divas Title: Mickie James (c) defeats Gail Kim (3:25)
WWE Monday Night RAW #847 @ Scottrade Center in St. Louis, Missouri, USA
TV-Show


I get the televised match stats argument because frankly they are the ones that matter most & what many more people see, but I try to take into account total records if applicable\available. Only reason I really started doing that a while back is because of when I started factoring in title changes at un-televised events -I figured it's only fair to include any victories whether or not cameras are rolling. House shows do hold less weight with me in the W\L category than tv or ppv shows do though, but wins are wins in the end.
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:10 AM
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As I've been kvetching during this whole tournament, how do you figure "who would win?" matches as pertains to a pre-scripted form of entertainment? Some say time spent as champion is the most important factor....in which case Moolah wins after having served as world titleholder for 114 years.

Some think the woman with the most influence and popularity wins all her individual matches, in which case Trish Stratus takes it all, which is what I believed most of you were going to say until I saw the voting results to this point.

I still favor the "who do you think would win a shoot match?" formula in which case the whole shebang might have come down to Mickie James, Victoria and Gail Kim........and unless I wanted Triple Naitch to hate me, I'd pick Victoria. Fortunately for me, she isn't in the final.

In this tournament, the choice comes down to the most popular wrestler vs. the best wrestler......and I pick the latter.

Mickie James.
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Old 02-11-2015, 01:24 PM
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I get the televised match stats argument because frankly they are the ones that matter most & what many more people see, but I try to take into account total records if applicable\available. Only reason I really started doing that a while back is because of when I started factoring in title changes at un-televised events -I figured it's only fair to include any victories whether or not cameras are rolling. House shows do hold less weight with me in the W\L category than tv or ppv shows do though, but wins are wins in the end.
Seeing as no-one appears to be willing to put forward a case for Trish, I may as well have a debate with you on this.

While there has been title changes at house shows in the modern age (one of Mickie's WWe titles was won at one in France), neither the Knockouts nor the WHC have ever changed hands in this way. More pertinently to me in the case of these matches though is the lack of detail usually available so asides from the actual result we are unsure if it was via pinfall, submission, DQ, count-out, if there was outside interference, a referee bump.

In this example, the major asterisk was Gail being a heel often ably assisted by BFF Madison Rayne. Therefore, as 10 of Gail's 11:7 total 1-on-1 record against Mickie come in this 4 month run (3 TV & 7 house), I'd struggle to use this as evidence of her being better overall. In fact, the information could theoretically be used against Gail as there are five distinct periods of Gail / Mickie matches and Mickie has come out ahead in four of the five.
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Wow, I didn't realize that Mickie James had broken away like she did. The arguments for her were sound. In the end I still went for Trish, but the Mickie camp put up some fantastic arguments. You guys should feel proud.

Congrats to the new champion.
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Thanks for a fantastic competition Ech, it was fun debating a regularly under appreciated aspect of our favorite waste of time.
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