Do Former WWE Talents Always Come Back Home?

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Originally Posted by fenderjapan

The ratings and attendance back it up. I don't have to. Again, its not my attempt to say TNA sucks or that Kurt Angle should be in WWE. I'm just saying he is better than the minor leagues.

And as far as WWE being no better than TNA most of the time...they both have their crap (WWE's pg crap, TNA's Hogan/Bischoff business, etc. etc.) but the non-crap is IMHO much more entertaining in WWE.

Antyhing other than those points is just a matter of opinion.

I agree that it is opinion. WWE attendance/buyrates may be slowly returning. The audience is not really as ratings continue to be fairly stagnate. They need to do something to shake shit up. I am rooting for them but when you bring back Lesnar (on topic) to bring back old fans, and then show him up by jobbing him to Cena immediately you are going to lose those fans or any potentially returning fans as the buzz around his return grows. WWE keeps hammering its fans with the same crap. But I will say that the Shield has potential and I hope they start pushing them and other new guys instead of getting scared of change.

TNA has a lot of shit. I refuse to watch much right now due to the Brooke/Hulk shit. They creep me out too. But when I want more pure wrestling and less super face bullshit I turn to TNA....Well, I like to except they are muffing the X Division and Jeff Hardy may be a nice comeback story but I am still not a big fan.

[Dr.]

Originally Posted by dukes07

As for former WCW guys getting nice pushes in WWF/E. I beg to differ. Look at DDP, Lance Storm, Saturn, Malenko, Lance Storm, Raven, Tazz and all those guys that got bought out and went to developmental hell or got no push because there were too many guys in the WWF.

I'll give you DDP, but he's the lone exception. No one else in that group was worthy of a world title push, and most of them got mid-card titles and plenty of face and mic time. I'm gonna let you slide, but you've got to re-check you history on this. Few of the guys were flat-out buried, and the ones that were weren't over.

It took Booker awhile to get his push and he was the TOP WCW guy. And let's not forget how they made sure to have Trips destroy him.

I haven't forgotten at all. I haven't forgotten that Booker was put into angles and title matches with The Rock and Triple H, despite not really being at their level. Trips destroyed everybody, and it got annoying, but Booker still got the gold.

As for Sting. He is lazy for taking a reduced schedule in his 50s? For remaining loyal to TNA? His main reason for not going to the WWF was when Booker T arrived and the Rock who the hell is Booker T? He knew that Vince had no idea of how to book them or had an respect. So yeah, I wouldn't go either.

Kevin Nash was in his fifties when he came back year before last, and he traveled and worked house shows during his run. I'm not saying Sting has to work a full year, but he couldn't be bothered to work three or four months at WWE's pace in order to work a 'Mania match with The Undertaker. He robbed the fans, plain and simple. And he did so just so he could be "loyal" to showing up on TNA intermittently and not working their spot shows. As for Booker, like I said, he wasn't on Rock's level. Having his name come out of Rocky's mouth, regardless of the context, was doing him a favor. That wouldn't have happened to Sting, and if he's too weak kneed to fight to make sure that didn't happen, then it only further diminishes his legacy to me.

When he was Crow Sting for WCW, it was part of the storyline! That is why he did not wrestle. The payoff was supposed to be fucking epic but it is not his fault that WCW nearly fucked it. He was there through all of 98 before getting injured and leaving at the end of his brief Hart feud and he came back in 99 before leaving for awhile. And after getting beat up by Steiner, and it was supposed to be part of an angle where all the WCW faces would come back at Bischoff's first Fusient PPV and take out Steiner.

I'll grant you it was storyline. Fine. What stopped him from coming to WWE before he joined TNA, though? Fear of being mocked by The Rock? Money? I'm highly skeptical. I'd be more willing to believe that he either didn't want to do the travel/# of dates, or, that he knew that being in WWE next to WWE Superstars would show that he wasn't as big a star in the business as he was in his own mind.

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Originally Posted by Dr.

I'll give you DDP, but he's the lone exception. No one else in that group was worthy of a world title push, and most of them got mid-card titles and plenty of face and mic time. I'm gonna let you slide, but you've got to re-check you history on this. Few of the guys were flat-out buried, and the ones that were weren't over.

I haven't forgotten at all. I haven't forgotten that Booker was put into angles and title matches with The Rock and Triple H, despite not really being at their level. Trips destroyed everybody, and it got annoying, but Booker still got the gold.

Kevin Nash was in his fifties when he came back year before last, and he traveled and worked house shows during his run. I'm not saying Sting has to work a full year, but he couldn't be bothered to work three or four months at WWE's pace in order to work a 'Mania match with The Undertaker. He robbed the fans, plain and simple. And he did so just so he could be "loyal" to showing up on TNA intermittently and not working their spot shows. As for Booker, like I said, he wasn't on Rock's level. Having his name come out of Rocky's mouth, regardless of the context, was doing him a favor. That wouldn't have happened to Sting, and if he's too weak kneed to fight to make sure that didn't happen, then it only further diminishes his legacy to me.

I'll grant you it was storyline. Fine. What stopped him from coming to WWE before he joined TNA, though? Fear of being mocked by The Rock? Money? I'm highly skeptical. I'd be more willing to believe that he either didn't want to do the travel/# of dates, or, that he knew that being in WWE next to WWE Superstars would show that he wasn't as big a star in the business as he was in his own mind.

Sorry I don't know how to break up quotes. My computer literacy is piss poor.

I have no problem with you being a WWE homer. But to say that all the WCW guys were midcard at best is downright silly. I am not saying they had to be champs but they could have gotten better pushes.

As for Booker T. His actual wrestling skill is superior to that of the Rock's. And to be mentioned/mocked by the Rock is supposed to be great? Seriously? Again I am not at that angle yet but from what I heard Booker was really over and they then brought in race and had Trips destroy him. And I believe he did become champ until a couple years later. I am a fan of the Rock's but for me he is fairly one dimensional and I am a bigger fan of Booker's.

Let's see WWE's thinking: They bring back Steiner, Nash and Goldberg and ultimately have Trips prevail. It was a constant theme to make sure that every former WCW star got to meet and get demolished by the Game. No wonder Sting did not want to come. Why would he? It has nothing to do with laziness. It had to do with the fact that Vince most likely would have fed him to the HHH monster. Look back in history and any long-term WWE angle the past decade has failed or been fed to HHH/Cena. Now he has discussed maybe doing a WWE run. But right now he is loyal to TNA. Nothing wrong with that. He comes in and loses to the Undertaker and that would be the extent of his WWE run most likely. Why come in and lose? Well, you would get a DVD.

The track record of how WCW/ECW guys have been treated is pretty poor. That is why those fans never came back. I was one of them for the longest time.

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Originally Posted by dukes07

Sorry I don't know how to break up quotes. My computer literacy is piss poor.

I have no problem with you being a WWE homer. But to say that all the WCW guys were midcard at best is downright silly. I am not saying they had to be champs but they could have gotten better pushes.

As for Booker T. His actual wrestling skill is superior to that of the Rock's. And to be mentioned/mocked by the Rock is supposed to be great? Seriously? Again I am not at that angle yet but from what I heard Booker was really over and they then brought in race and had Trips destroy him. And I believe he did become champ until a couple years later. I am a fan of the Rock's but for me he is fairly one dimensional and I am a bigger fan of Booker's.

Let's see WWE's thinking: They bring back Steiner, Nash and Goldberg and ultimately have Trips prevail. It was a constant theme to make sure that every former WCW star got to meet and get demolished by the Game. No wonder Sting did not want to come. Why would he? It has nothing to do with laziness. It had to do with the fact that Vince most likely would have fed him to the HHH monster. Look back in history and any long-term WWE angle the past decade has failed or been fed to HHH/Cena. Now he has discussed maybe doing a WWE run. But right now he is loyal to TNA. Nothing wrong with that. He comes in and loses to the Undertaker and that would be the extent of his WWE run most likely. Why come in and lose? Well, you would get a DVD.

The track record of how WCW/ECW guys have been treated is pretty poor. That is why those fans never came back. I was one of them for the longest time.

A WWE homer? Do you remember what WCW was at it's end? The guys were lucky Vince kept them on at all.

Look, we've derailed this thread enough*. You're entitled to be wrong. Back on topic. Do former WWE wrestlers always come back? No. Some for good reason, some for selfish reasons, and some because WWE doesn't want them anymore.

*Mods, fellow members, sorry for getting this thread off track. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Dr.

A WWE homer? Do you remember what WCW was at it's end? The guys were lucky Vince kept them on at all.

Look, we've derailed this thread enough*. You're entitled to be wrong. Back on topic. Do former WWE wrestlers always come back? No. Some for good reason, some for selfish reasons, and some because WWE doesn't want them anymore.

*Mods, fellow members, sorry for getting this thread off track. My bad.

Um, okay. Vince was lucky to keep WCW guys on? I have seen every Nitro/Thunder and this theory that WCW wrestlers were terrible or inferior to WWF's is asinine and wrong.

Yeah, we should "thank" Vince for monopolizing wrestling and then driving away fans in droves with his shitty booking and burying of the past. Thanks to his ineptitude and ego he has helped make wrestling a non-factor today. Awesome. Thank God he was there to pick up WCW/ECW and give those guys some scraps. I mean fuck, why not ruin a potentially tens of millions of dollars angle that could go for a year or more or bring back WCW to TV. I mean Buff Bagwell in Tacoma. Great thinking. Go back and watch some WCW/ECW you may be surprised and you may change your thinking.

But I am "wrong" because my opinion differs from yours. Okay, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Back to the topic though.

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Originally Posted by Hashtag Killer

I love TNA, but to have RVD as your X-Division Champion just proves how little you know what to do with him.

That's because the X-Division Championship has turned into the "Please Rob Don't Go" belt, much like the TNA World Heavyweight Championship has become the "Please Jeff Don't Go" belt.

Also, why the hell would he walk around with two belts? Isn't the point of a specialty belt to NOT have to carry around the other one?

Besides, I'm WAITING for Jeff Hardy to leave TNA hanging when his contract is up. Papa Vince know that he is the one pillar keeping TNA alive and without him, they'd crash and burn. This way, TNA can get a lot of heat for giving Jeff everything when he'll just play them.