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Old 07-10-2017, 11:15 AM
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Yeah, the Iron Sheik did that better like 35 years ago with one or two camera angles and shitty production and way more heat. Jinder is being fed to Randy and was a jobber. He had no build to being a star at all. He isn't convincing on the mic on long promos, isn't that great of a worker, is jacked but that's about it.
I thought the topic was on what WWE wants in a star. This is obviously about your vision of a star, not WWE's.

Mahal is everything that you complained in not seeing. Yeah, Sheik did it (though you need subtitles to understand what the fuck he's saying, making him objectively a worse speaker than Mahal). So did Hassan. So did Khali. Characters get rehashed and recycled all the time. And sure, Jinder jobbed. That was the point. He shocked fans by winning. Now WWE can tap into that sweet sweet Indian demographic which is almost triple the population of the United States.

That's the answer, by the way. A star is somebody that can make them the most money. Ergo, Jinder Mahal is a star and Curt Hawkins could leave and not hurt ticket sales at all.

And how is Jinder being fed to Orton if Orton keeps losing to him? That's not how that works.

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NO HE ISN'T Lesnar was BORN AND RAISED IN Webster, South Dakota
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How did you read Lesnar's name, skip the part where I mentioned Mahal's foreign heel gimmick, and jump to where I mentioned Canada?
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:20 AM
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I thought the topic was on what WWE wants in a star. This is obviously about your vision of a star, not WWE's.

Mahal is everything that you complained in not seeing. Yeah, Sheik did it (though you need subtitles to understand what the fuck he's saying, making him objectively a worse speaker than Mahal). So did Hassan. So did Khali. Characters get rehashed and recycled all the time. And sure, Jinder jobbed. That was the point. He shocked fans by winning. Now WWE can tap into that sweet sweet Indian demographic which is almost triple the population of the United States.

That's the answer, by the way. A star is somebody that can make them the most money. Ergo, Jinder Mahal is a star and Curt Hawkins could leave and not hurt ticket sales at all.

And how is Jinder being fed to Orton if Orton keeps losing to him? That's not how that works.



How did you read Lesnar's name, skip the part where I mentioned Mahal's foreign heel gimmick, and jump to where I mentioned Canada?
I liked Jinder winning the belt. He has no heat now though. Iron Sheik had natural charisma and still has more natural charisma in his curly boots than Jinder has. They've done nothing cool with him, same two matches over and over. You are missing the point - Sheik had charisma. Jinder has become an afterthought from that initial "shock" and nobody gives a shit about his feud with Orton. I hope he beats Orton and they get their market but damn he feels unready for that position as the face of the company. If it's all for the market great, but his matches aren't shit you'd watch without a stipulation at that point. His in-ring work is okay, his promos are okay. He looks jacked. He's boring. What is the story line? Americans hate Indian people or brown people?

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Old 07-10-2017, 11:52 AM
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WWE doesn't care about what a superstar looks like now, they are not in competition with anybody so Ellesworth could be the WWE champion and it wouldn't matter.

Most of the company champions have been jobber/mid-card type wrestlers for the near decade, I don't think most of them would be even allowed on TV during the MNW. The 90's were special because not only did the wrestlers look like mega-stars but also had the personality.
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Here how i see it. WWE is a publicly traded company, which mean that they need to focus on what makes money in the end. So they go, and listen to the crowd reactions, watch the merchandise sales results and focus on being a more family oriented product because that's how you get advertisers. So when you look at it that way, Roman reigns is the more over guy outside of the part timers like cena and lesnar in the company so they push him. Seth Rollins is super over so they push him. Finn balor is over so they push him. That's pretty much how it works.

The other factors are guys like jinder who can actually bring in some money with being the face of a market that's not being explored before. So that's why somebody like Jinder is push.

In the old days, WWE/F would be more edgy because they didn't have to answer to advitisers and stockholders so they could be edgy, now, Vince as to answer to a lot of others peoples so they go we're the money is. So sometimes a guy that we might not see as a star will become a star because in the eyes of wwe fans, he got the it factor and that means money for the company. That's nothing against the neville and Aries of the world but that's just how Business works.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:44 AM
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Ultimately WWE just wants to make money, but what does WWE feel brings them that money? It's hard to narrow it down to just one things. WWE is looking for several traits.

1 - Presence/"It" - Some guys have this, and some don't. What even is it? Well it's hard to explain. You just know it when you see it. Like when you look at Strowman. He just has "it".

2 - Look/Marketability - Like it or not, this is a big deal. No not everyone has to be 6'2" and 260 lbs, but look is still very much a factor. Wrestlers like Balor, Ambrose, or Zayn will never be the top guy. Sure they will be pushed, but they'll never be the guy. Because well wrestlers like Reigns, Strowman, and Lesnar are more marketable. That's not to justify Reigns' mega push or to say I don't like those wrestlers. Ambrose is maybe my favorite wrestler, but I understand he's never gonna be the guy over Reigns, and quite frankly he shouldn't be. Of course Reigns push was done horribly, but that's another discussion.

3 - Charisma/Personality - This is another huge factor. Several wrestlers have flamed out because they were just boring. Apollo Crews is a good example. He has a great look and is good in the ring, but you gotta be more than "athletic guy who smiles a lot". Look at the cruiserweights. Cedric Alexander and Mustafa Ali are fine wrestlers, but they come out to silence nearly every week. Why? Because the audience has no reason to care about them. Of course a lot of that can be blamed on booking. The entire division has been severely botched since moving to Raw. Another example is Big E. He was extremely bland before the New Day, and now he's one of the most entertaining and charismatic wrestlers in the company. So are Xavier Woods and Kofi Kingston. Anyone remember what they were doing before New Day?

So to be a star in WWE you need to have all or a lot of the things mentioned above. Or you could just be a Maharaja.

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