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Old 11-16-2017, 01:41 PM
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He's gone. He's done. Will he be back someday? Probably.
Haha! I love how this guy felt the need to slam the door shut on this one, only to open it a crack immediately afterwards. I'd love to see him get angry on the phone; slams it down, then picks it up gently and in a Mrs. Doubtfire voice says "Hello?".

I think there are a ton of different ways to bring Punk back for a WrestleMania moment, and I would mark out for lots of them. But, as someone else said, to think this would create any kind of boom period is ridiculous. I LOVED the Hardys coming back at this past Mania. Fast forward 8 days to Raw and I had no interest in watching their match, if they had one. Big moments do not have to, and often shouldn't, lead to long storylines or returns. I say take the moment for what it's worth and then wait for the next one. Easy for me to say because I am an occasional viewer who, for the first time since 1990, is actually planning on watching Survivor Series. I am able to give a Raw or a PPV a try and bail if it bores me without any consequences. I understand how full-time fans don't have that luxury. I just think many of you would enjoy wrestling more if you enjoyed what you were watching, when you were watching it...instead of instinctively wondering what this is leading to. Wrestling is a big circle that never has an endpoint. WrestleMania is the Super Bowl, but it doesn't end the season. It picks up the next night. The titles are not reset or made vacant. On and on it goes. You will never be happy if you keep waiting for the big payoff every time. Again, just a suggestion as an experienced viewer.
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Old 11-16-2017, 02:05 PM
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Imagine this Mania Match.....

Shane, HHH, & Angle vs. Zayn, Owens, & Mystery Partner....

Everyone is in the ring and Punk's music hits!!! The Crowd would lose their mind.
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:16 PM
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He's gone. He's done. Will he be back someday? Probably. But that ship has sailed for now and personally... I couldn't care less. It's been almost four years now.

If he decides to lace up the boots again anytime soon, it'll be somewhere else. You could get into an endless debate about Punk. Could he show up in ROH, New Japan, etc...? Sure. Less grueling work schedule. Probably more creative freedom. The list goes on. He'll tell you all day it was never about the money for him and honestly... I believe it. But he's also not a dummy. He can't not acknowledge the WWE is who got him the amount of money he's got right now that affords him to never have to work another day in his life. Time heels all wounds. Especially in the wrestling business. Look at Hogan. Look at Angle. Look at the countless other guys that have had a negative opinion about Vince McMahon over the years. They all come back eventually. Regardless of the reason, they come back. Punk's no different.

It would just really be great though if people would stop chanting his name during a random mid-card match at a July PPV.
Yeah, I agree when you get right down to it. While it's sometimes fun to talk about or speculate, I'm pretty much over anything to do with CM Punk and have been for quite a long time now. Sure, it'd be cool if he did but the wrestling world is doing just fine without him.

As far as the "CM Punk" chants, some fans do that when they're not all that into a match or a segment, but it's something that's really died down over the years. Every once in a while, you'll hear a small chant start out in the crowd that'll last for a handful of seconds but stops after it doesn't gain momentum. Sometimes, the chants are some idiotic attempt at seeming edgy or being rebels; the last really big Punk chant I can recall came about not long after Punk lost his MMA fight and while I don't remember exactly what Stephanie said, it was something along the lines of "...is not here because he quit. I've only been out here for a couple of minutes though, granted, that's longer than his fight lasted" and the crowd then popped in a "oh no she didn't" type of moment. Yeah, even the same people who were chanting Punk's name just suddenly turned and popped for Stephanie. Since then, all they have to do is ignore the chants or if they're told to acknowledge them, Stephanie's response, or one similar, is really all there needs to be said to shut it down.
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New Japan lost AJ Styles, Gallows and Anderson last year. Sure, this loss led to Kenny Omega being pushed and delivering 6-star matches and bringing the spotlight to NJPW.
However, Kenny and Okada are the only two draws NJPW has right now that can sell stuff to the US and I'm stretching it. But if there's a chance any promotion leads a wrestling boom, that promotion is NJPW, not WWE. Forget WWE creating booms. It's not going to happen. Wrestling is mainstream. They're are doing fine. The Network sells, arenas sell. A boom comes after a period of
a) dark times
b) small to global scale expansion

There's no dark times for WWE anymore and they are literally all over the world. They are an empire. There are no booms coming from them.

However, NJPW has space for expansion. They're trying. CM Punk going to NJPW would give them an ultra boost. Anti-WWE guy, with huge following, joins NJPW.

Wanna see a boom? NJPW should try and achieve the following things.
1) keep pushing Bullet Club worldwide
2) turn Omega face and let him tear down arenas all over the world
3) not lose their identity, meaning, keep Japanese wrestlers as your poster boys

two more things:
4) bring back CM Punk
5) give Daniel Bryan a match

and
6) do not let WWE take any more great indy talent.

Punk alone can't lead a wrestling boom. But if you combine him with the right ingredients, then something could happen.

A card featuring Bryan, Punk, Okada, Omega, Bullet Club, who knows who else and a US celebrity, but a big time US celebrity.. taking place in the United States, presented by NJPW, in a staidum.. could bring big damage to the WWE.

But that's wishful thinking and it needs many players at the right place at the right time and great planning in order to work out.

But yeah, in 2017, wrestling is over-exposed. One guy like Hogan did in the 80s is not enough to lead a change, or a Stone Cold. And not be fooled, Hogan was just stepping over dead bodies Vince was leaving here and there with his conquer everything tactic. And in the AE, Vince just used the hype that WCW had created with the "Monday Night Wars!" against WCW. It was WCW the ones who started the war and the ones bragging about beating WWE. Had WCW just stayed quiet and had done its job, there would be no WWE around. But WCW needed WWE's name to hype itself up. So Vince used WCW's own platform to advertise itself and in the end, with some better creative booking, WCW failed due to its own weight. Ouch.
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:36 PM
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I'd bet money that Punk will never be back, because Punk is a self centered, egotistical, narcissist. The guy needed those qualities to get to the heights he reached, but no one bought into his own hype more than Punk. THe guy was my favorite wrestler for a long time, don't get me wrong. I do miss him, but he is too egotistical to ever accept an apology from WWE for slights both perceived and real. The guy is estranged from his own brother over money he stole from a backyard fed when they were young. He briefly stopped talking to Colt Cabana when Colt was getting buddy buddy with some current WWE guys. He is that petty, and when you combine that with the previously stated character qualities, the heat between he and WWE, and the fact that he and his wife are both making a decent enough living without wrestling, I don't ever see him back.

He seems pretty over pro wrestling in general as well. He has claimed multiple times he doesn't follow any current product, outside of the occasional look into stuff his old buddies are doing, so I don't see him ending up anywhere else either.
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:34 PM
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Haha! I love how this guy felt the need to slam the door shut on this one, only to open it a crack immediately afterwards. I'd love to see him get angry on the phone; slams it down, then picks it up gently and in a Mrs. Doubtfire voice says "Hello?".

I think there are a ton of different ways to bring Punk back for a WrestleMania moment, and I would mark out for lots of them. But, as someone else said, to think this would create any kind of boom period is ridiculous. I LOVED the Hardys coming back at this past Mania. Fast forward 8 days to Raw and I had no interest in watching their match, if they had one. Big moments do not have to, and often shouldn't, lead to long storylines or returns. I say take the moment for what it's worth and then wait for the next one. Easy for me to say because I am an occasional viewer who, for the first time since 1990, is actually planning on watching Survivor Series. I am able to give a Raw or a PPV a try and bail if it bores me without any consequences. I understand how full-time fans don't have that luxury. I just think many of you would enjoy wrestling more if you enjoyed what you were watching, when you were watching it...instead of instinctively wondering what this is leading to. Wrestling is a big circle that never has an endpoint. WrestleMania is the Super Bowl, but it doesn't end the season. It picks up the next night. The titles are not reset or made vacant. On and on it goes. You will never be happy if you keep waiting for the big payoff every time. Again, just a suggestion as an experienced viewer.
I was simply eluding to the fact that's he's certainly not going to be back at Wrestlemania next year. Will he WRESTLE for the WWE again? On a 1-10 scale, I'd give it a 3. What else does he have to prove? Literally nothing. He couldn't even come back to put a talent over because he did nothing relevant while he was gone. You're not going to walk away from WWE and come back into WWE bigger than you left while doing nothing in between. Hogan left once... formed the biggest faction ever in wrestling history, then came back to get some younger guys over. Lesnar left, went to the NFL, became a legit fighting champion, and came back. He came back a much bigger draw. I'm sure there's others but those are two that came to mind. Punk left... was hilarious as a UFC "fighter," went to hockey games and dicked around on Twitter.
Someone above said "he's a moderately athletic guy..." That's true. Punk coming back say... 10 years after he left, big deal. His biggest asset was his mouth. Punk is a guy that the longer he stays away, the less relevant he becomes. Would he get a massive pop if that music hit and he walked through that curtain? Sure would. It'd be a volume we haven't heard in quite awhile. But his star fades more every passing month. Now when you ask will we ever see him ON WWE TV again? I'd give that an 8. He will be on TV again in some fashion. Even if it's just a HoF speech, documentary, etc... But he's also a guy that probably couldn't care less about a HoF induction. Punk cares about Punk. Nothing else.

The ONLY way I see Punk back in a ring and on WWE TV sooner rather than later would be if his personal life crumbles. By that... I mean he AJ get divorced, there was no pre-nup signed, and Punk needs a few bucks. He'll tuck his tail between his legs, call up Vince or Triple H, apologize for his actions and things that were said (whether they were true, untrue, stretched truths, etc...) and sign a deal. That's it.

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I'd bet money that Punk will never be back, because Punk is a self centered, egotistical, narcissist. The guy needed those qualities to get to the heights he reached, but no one bought into his own hype more than Punk. THe guy was my favorite wrestler for a long time, don't get me wrong. I do miss him, but he is too egotistical to ever accept an apology from WWE for slights both perceived and real. The guy is estranged from his own brother over money he stole from a backyard fed when they were young. He briefly stopped talking to Colt Cabana when Colt was getting buddy buddy with some current WWE guys. He is that petty, and when you combine that with the previously stated character qualities, the heat between he and WWE, and the fact that he and his wife are both making a decent enough living without wrestling, I don't ever see him back.
See this is what I don't get. Why single out Punk with having this personality. Yes he is a real d*** but he can deliver in the ring and proved he can be a top guy.

I see him being no different than Shawn Michaels (during the 90's), Bret Hart (being a mark for himself), Ultimate Warrior (we know his story), Brock Lesnar (when he left in 2004 and kind of trashed the WWE), Austin (apparently nixed a lot of ideas for him, upset people backstage, and also walked out) etc.

There's always been ego's backstage Punk just happens to be one of them.
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See this is what I don't get. Why single out Punk with having this personality. Yes he is a real d*** but he can deliver in the ring and proved he can be a top guy.

I see him being no different than Shawn Michaels (during the 90's), Bret Hart (being a mark for himself), Ultimate Warrior (we know his story), Brock Lesnar (when he left in 2004 and kind of trashed the WWE), Austin (apparently nixed a lot of ideas for him, upset people backstage, and also walked out) etc.

There's always been ego's backstage Punk just happens to be one of them.
I never said that Punk was the only guy in pro wrestling who had said attitude. I said that it is that attitude that leads me to believe he will never be back. Those guys you mentioned, aren't exactly the same as Punk. Shawn was a dick who reformed and then came back. Bret's fame dwindled after WCW shit the bed with him and he had basically no post WWE career. Warrior, well he and Punk are a lot closer so I will give you Warrior. Brock didn't need WWE, but once his UFC/MMA prospects dried up after multiple ass kickings, he needed a pay day and WWE offered him more than he would have gotten anywhere or in anything else. Austin was the only one of those guys who the WWE needed, so he had leverage.

That's the thing, and I say this as a huge Punk fan, he was never as big as he liked to think he was. Yeah, his pipebomb got people talking, but it wasn't a sustained thing. There is a reason that John Cena vs. John Lauranitis and John Cena vs. Big Show part 525 were main eventing PPVs over Punk. He just didn't bring in the fans long term. Punk got it in his head that he deserved this and he deserved that, and until WWE comes back and grovels at his feet and gives him all those things he things he deserved, he won't be back because his inflated sense of self worth. If he hasn't talked to his own flesh and blood in twenty odd years over a couple hundred dollars over a backyard fed, he isn't going to be back over what he perceives as a few million dollars in WWE.
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CM Punk wouldn't do anything for pro wrestling. People need to quit overrating this guy and hop off his dick already. He's not that big of a name, just with loser wrestling fans on the internet who have nothing better to do than to talk about this guy.
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See this is what I don't get. Why single out Punk with having this personality. Yes he is a real d*** but he can deliver in the ring and proved he can be a top guy.

I see him being no different than Shawn Michaels (during the 90's), Bret Hart (being a mark for himself), Ultimate Warrior (we know his story), Brock Lesnar (when he left in 2004 and kind of trashed the WWE), Austin (apparently nixed a lot of ideas for him, upset people backstage, and also walked out) etc.

There's always been ego's backstage Punk just happens to be one of them.
Man, you're a idiot. Punk is not an egomaniac, he's just a little douchebag who has no respect for anyone, who brought down morale backstage, nobody likes him except wrestling fans who's entire lives revolve around wrestling.. You're the same people who defend Chris Benoit, because as long as they can wrestle, who cares about anything else, right?
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