Did a face CM Punk fool you?

[Slash-LN]

I don't really get what you mean by fool you.

Speak for yourself when you say we all hated him during this time or that time. I've always been split on Punk. There are times where I think he's awesome and I really get behind him and there are times where I start to wonder why I'm so behind him.

I actually liked the S.E.S. stuff. By the op that would make me in the minority but I feel like a lot of other people liked that angle too.

I was one of the people who thought his promo last year was awesome but in no way did I ever expect that he was going to be the face of the company.

I don't really know what else to say here because the question isn't too clear.

[shooter_mcgavin]

Originally Posted by rge2010

Punk has been in WWE for like what, 6 years? It took 5 years to get where he wanted to be. Punk is/was very good, but he will never be 'that guy' He simply doesnt have it. His WWE Title run has been a afterthought to Rock/Cena, and all the other fueds Cena has had since then with Lesnar and Jonny Ace.

Triple H/Undertaker/Shawn Michaels/HIAC was also an after thought compared to Rock/Cena leading up to WM. It's nothing against Punk if his feud with Jericho couldn't overshadow Rock/Cena. As for Cena and Lesnar, keep in mind this is Lesnar's very few special appearance even Lesnar's appearance in Summerslam was put higher in the Card than Cena's.

Originally Posted by rge2010

In short Punk is vastly over rated by the IWC. He isn't a big PPV draw and he isn't a big ratings draw either. Rock and Brock are the real draws as is John Cena. People will deny the latter but its a fact. Its no surprise Cena was paired with Rock and Brock on their return to action.

Big PPV draw compared to what? Compared to Cena, ok Cena might be able to get better buy rates but Cena wasn't a PPV draw compared to Austin, Hogan in 2005 or 2006 or even now. Does that mean at Cena isn't a draw as well.

Bottom line is Punk is very popular he's not on Cena's level of popularity but that's like saying every "#1 guy" after Hogan should not have been the "#1 guy" since they couldn't draw the numbers Hogan did. Which includes a long list ... The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Ultimate Warrior, etc.

[Lord Awesome]

The thing that fooled me is that he already has had lengthy feuds with all the top faces. The only faces he hasn't feuded with are Brodus Clay, Evan Bourne, Kofi Kingston, R Truth, Ryback, Santino, Sin Cara, Tyson Kidd, and Zack Ryder.

WWE has just been shit at making decent faces recently and as soon as they made one they turned him heel again. Then they release a CM Punk documentary that makes him seem face again but not really. I really don't think WWE knows what its doing anymore. WWE needs more credible faces stat.

[King Michéal]

I don't think Punk was ever supposed to be a face. Punks shoot promo was basically him bitching and whining - heel traits

But because we the WWE audience cheered him and bought his merchandise WWE kept him face.

Storyline wise things dried up for punk as a face, so we now have Punk as heel and we are probably getting a variation of the storyline we were supposed to get last year

[Mustang Sally]

Yes, it fooled me. Whenever you hear a wrestler express an opinion as to whether he wants to play a face or heel, he says heel. For that matter, whenever a member of this forum is talking about the same thing, they pick heel for just about any performer named. The reason is clear; it's easier to play a heel.....easier to perform dastardly deeds to make people hate you than it is to get people to cheer you as a face.

So it was with CM Punk. Before the Summer of Punk, he was a heel already, and a very good one. After his cross-legged speeches in ring center, I figured he'd continue as he was. Instead, they made him a face.

Thinking back, the purpose of turning him good was to keep him from direct confrontation with the #1 guy in the company......John Cena. If it remained good guy vs. bad guy, they would be in conflict from day one of Punk's new direction, which is something Creative plainly didn't want. As the top two guys, management kept Punk and Cena peripherally involved with one another but still operating in different areas, going after different opponents. Yes, they met briefly as enemies at the beginning so Punk could become the champion, but Cena had a huge program with the Rock to keep him busy, while Punk was establishing himself in his new exalted place in the company.

Now, the time for them to clash has arrived, and since it's been anticipated for so long (we knew this was coming, no?), the stage was set for one of them to turn bad. For quite awhile, I thought it would be Cena, but I was wrong. It's Punk, and he's doing a great job of it, even though a lot of fans seem slow to turn against him.

I was fooled, yes.

[CQB241]

CM Punk can work as both a heel and a face, and WWE knows that. They realize that they lack a lot of talented heels, at least in their opinion, for the WWE title picture. They figured that they would spice the picture up by redirecting CM Punk's character. To be honest I enjoy CM Punk regardless of his status. He cuts some fantastic promos either way, and I enjoy that. But also being honest, one thing I don't like is that his promos are similar for both face and heel. Of course he can go more over the line as a heel, but in the end most of the things he says are the same things he'd say as a face. He actually just uses logic to make what he does sound justified, and we all go "That actually makes sense" after he does so. Take a guy like Chris Jericho for example, his face and heel characters are entirely different. One is a slow talking business man who will call you a hypocrite, a parasite, and any other thing he can come up with. They other is a fast talking, very humorous character who is charismatic and thrilling. In a way both styles work for both characters, and I actually don't the difference between Punk's heel and face promos, because in the end it makes more sense. He's still the same person, just with a different attitude.

As for turning him heel, I am already packed and on the train for Punk vs Austin at Wrestlemania. It is a match I would die to see happen, especially alongside Cena and Rock on the card. Whether the likeliness of it happening or not has increased or decreased over the last couple of months, I still think it can happen. But Steve Austin has said himself that if it were to happen, Punk would have to turn heel. So I'm hoping Punk's heel turn was simply a slow step in building for this feud between CM Punk and Stone Cold Steve Austin.

[theBec2101]

Did Punk full me? Well I never thought he was going to leave. I also knew they weren’t going to give him the belt and he was going to leave afterwards. Don’t get me wrong that was some of the greatest work I’v seen in awhile in wrestling.
Did Punk full me when he turned heel? Question should be was Rock going to become heel and still be able to promote all his movies? No, they needed a heel incase Rock and Punk vs. Now do I wish Cena made the turn? Yea a little I would of liked to see where they would of went. But then again creative now is just so horrible why you would trust them repackaging your top star as a heel?
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[TheRuDOLPHIN]

I don't understand what you mean by "being fooled" by Punk.

I thought his face run was decent, but he works better as a heel. However, his recent heel turn has felt forced to this viewer, especially the whole "respect" angle. I don't understand how he hasn't received respect as the WWE Champ in a kayfabe sense when he had been getting crowd pops and the commentators spoke good about him, etc.

I do think Punk is better as a heel, though. I suppose that, no, I was never foold by Punk, but I didn't quite understand what the op was trying to convey.

[StoneColdSavage]

Punk is not in the doghouse. He's the guy who's been WWE Champion for almost a year and will face The Rock in January. That ain't doghouse drama, that's top star drama. And yeah, Cena is the top draw. But not the top star. It's pretty much been Raw is Punk for awhile now.

[AshBlackstone78]

Originally Posted by rge2010

No, Punk never fooled me, my post history on him proves that. People were so blinded by his 'shoot' last summer. It wasn't a shoot, it was a promo. A good one, but a simple promo.

Punk has been in WWE for like what, 6 years? It took 5 years to get where he wanted to be. Punk is/was very good, but he will never be 'that guy' He simply doesnt have it. His WWE Title run has been a afterthought to Rock/Cena, and all the other fueds Cena has had since then with Lesnar and Jonny Ace.

In short Punk is vastly over rated by the IWC. He isn't a big PPV draw and he isn't a big ratings draw either. Rock and Brock are the real draws as is John Cena. People will deny the latter but its a fact. Its no surprise Cena was paired with Rock and Brock on their return to action.

I often wonder if people who post things like this suffered brain damage as a child.

He's a big draw, because he's not an elite star yet like an Austin or Rock. But that's not his fault. You people think guys working their way up through the company have a lot more control and power over what happens to them than they really do.

Punk would be an elite megastar right now, had the WWE not screwed up his run last summer. It's that simple.