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Old 02-09-2018, 02:20 PM
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This is a thought that I have been mulling over for a few months now and I don't think it has ever been so apparent.

It all started with a Beast and a Deadman. For me, the streak should never have been broken. That piece of history meant more to wrestling fans than Championship reigns do these days. 21 people before Brock stepped up and 21 people went down to The Undertaker. I do appreciate the need for the Streak to mean something in the long term and it has certainly taken Brock Lesnar to a whole new level of dominance. For me though, it was the start of a worrying trend in the WWE where nothing is sacred and everything is do-able.

The next one to rise to the peak of my interest was The New Day's Tag Championship reign that put Demolition into second spot by 5 whole days. I don't believe that either team are the best teams that have ever been but I simply cannot buy that New Day were worth that accomplishment.

John Cena was the next one up in the new trend of the WWE trying to go one better than what was before. He recently equalled Ric Flair's total of 16 Championship reigns. Which, you could argue, was a great accomplishment for a man who has given everything to the WWE. But you'll have to go some to convince me that John Cena is half the wrestler that the Nature Boy was. And, it must be said, you're crazy if you don't think that John Cena will get another run with the belt before he rides off to Hollywood.

The Miz, too, is probably going to be the IC Champion with the most reigns. Jericho is a legend in the WWE and in wrestling. He is an industry icon with the pedigree to boot. The Miz, as much as I like the work he does, came from an MTV show and , somehow, managed to make it work. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that he will pass Jericho before too long.

So with all of that in mind, I am asking you if you believe that nothing is sacred in the WWE? In 10 years time, will all of the records that we find to be notable right now be washed away with mediocrity? I get that the WWE needs to make Championship reigns seem like a big deal to sell characters and matches. But at what cost?
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Old 02-09-2018, 02:36 PM
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Most likely they will have Asuka's undefeated streak be broken by Rousey. That's another one. All about the name just as it was with Lesnar. I like Miz too but to think he would have more reigns as IC title champ then the likes of Jericho, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, etc. just leaves a bad taste. The WWE needs to think long and hard before they make decisions that will get initial shock value but will leave them with regret afterward or down the line as was the case with Brock defeating the streak.
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:09 PM
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2 things to point out
1) not only will Miz pass Jericho for most reigns...he will also soon pass Pedro Morales for most days
2) They also made a big deal of Bella holding the title long enough to pass AJ Lee so much so that they cut the lgs out of the Revolution
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:43 PM
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Records are made to be broken. We have two world/midcard titles and split roster weekly TV shows. Tons of PPV. We are nearing the ends of the careers of people who started around 2002. 2002 was the year of the first split. So obviously people would have inflated title reign counts.

Not really sure I understand what the complaint is.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:32 PM
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If they can make money with it then they will break every records they can break. Look at some of the Records they broken lately.

You mention the undertaker's streak being broken. The reason behind it wasn't to help Lesnar look dominant, it was to increase subscribers to the WWE network since it was brand new at the time and they wanted to send a message that anything could happens. So that's the reason they broke the streak

The new day thing was because Vince was mad at Demolition for suing him so they let the new day beat their record. Same goes for Nikki Bella beating AJ Lee's record.

As for miz, i think it's more because he's done so much for WWE that they wanted to reward him for all his hard work.

As for what's record that might break next.

Right now, as far as Records they could make a lot of money breaking, The first one that comes to mind is Asuka's streak. If you put her in the right match with the right opponent, they could make a lot of money with that match and the match after her first lost.

The other one that could be big money is Cena beating ric flair's record, Again if you do it at the right event (one of the big four) with the right opponent, they could make a lot of money with it.

Outside of that, unless Vince is angry at somebody that has a record, they won'T touch any of them because anyway for Vince, he doesn't take theses record seriously anyway, their just Stats inside a entertainment show and means pretty much nothing and i kinda agree with this.

It's fun to heard about those records and everything but it's not like they mean anything anyway. Wrestling isn'T a real sports, so it shouldn't be treated in the same way as baseball, hockey, football or any other professional sports. they are telling story and part of those story are the record, when they end them or beat them is because they want to tell another story for another performer, that's as simple as that.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:48 PM
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When I saw the title of the thread, I thought that Vince had embarked on a long quest of revising history in order to make history reflect how he thinks it should. He likes to do that sometimes and I thought he'd done something like claim the WWE Championship is now part of Olympic gold medal lineage or something.

We've heard stuff like records are meant to be broken a lot whenever topics like this are discussed and while it might come off as something of a crutch, it's pretty much the truth.

A lot of people were pissed when Hank Aaron took the honor of having the most home runs in MLB history from Babe Ruth just like some felt when Barry Bonds took the honor himself. In New Japan, both Hiroshi Tanahashi and Kazuchika Okada have eclipsed the Great Muta's records of most defenses and cumulative days as IWGP Heavyweight Champion. Someday, someone may well exceed Wilt Chamberlain's records of scoring 100 points in a single game. The world doesn't stand still for the sake of nostalgia and greatness can come along at any given time.

In regards to Taker's streak, I wasn't so much upset that it ended but that it was ended by Brock Lesnar. I always felt that if the streak was to end that it should've been ended by someone who would've really gained something from it, some fresh faced wrestler who already wasn't a mega star in the industry.

In regards to the WWE Tag Team Championship record, I've got no problem with New Day breaking Demolition's record. I agree with Dave's sentiment that there have been better teams than New Day who may have deserved the distinction but, then again, I can most definitely say the same thing about Demolition. To me, Demolition was a poor man's version of the Road Warriors and, in my opinion, New Day's an infinitely better tag team than they were.

As far as Ric Flair's official record of World Championships being tied by Cena, and possibly exceeded someday, it didn't come as any sort of shock or surprise to me and it won't if he winds up breaking the record. To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised it took as long as it did to tie it and I figured he would've beaten it long before now. If it happens, then it happens. I might not necessarily be thrilled about it but, to me, there are worse things that can happen in wrestling.

When it comes to Jericho's record of 9 Intercontinental Championships possibly being tied or broken by Miz, I think it'll happen, I've said as much before and I hope it does. I don't care if Miz was originally the star of a reality show any more than I would care Jericho was originally a wrestler if Fozzy puts out an album that wins the Grammy Award for Best Metal Performance. Miz is a talented guy who paid his dues, stuck it out through rough times and has worked his ass off. Sure Jericho is a legend, but Miz will be as well as much as that might seem like a kick in the nuts to some and that's not to say that I'm putting Miz on the same level as Jericho. I just don't find the notion of Miz beating Jericho's record a travesty; in my opinion, an example of a travesty is that the longest single Intercontinental Championship reign in history is held by a Elvis impersonator instead of someone like Randy Savage, Curt Hennig, Bret Hart, Scott Hall, the Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H or Chris Jericho.
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I don't think it's a matter of nothing being sacred, it's more of people not letting go of the past. Records/streaks are made to be broken, things change, it's a part of life.
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There's still one or two sacred records that will most likely never be broken, simply because this is a completely different era.

Bruno Sammartino's 2800 plus day reign of the Heavyweight Title is still intact, nobody will touch that for the longest Heavyweight Title reign in the company.

Andre The Giant went 15 years before he was pinned by Hulk Hogan. A 15 year undefeated streak (Even though he was used as a sideshow attraction more than a serious, regular wrestler for a chunk of his earlier career)
That would be like Asuka going another 13 years before anyone beating her in WWE. It'll never happen. The attention span of today's fans are very short and wouldn't deal with such a reign.
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Personally I don't think too much of these records as its not a true account of someones ability its just whatever Vince Mcmahon decides at the time, Nobody is claiming New Day's record tag reign makes them the greatest tag team of all time, The tag team division was very weak during New Days reign but the late 80's during Demolitions reign I would say the tag team division was the best it had ever been at that point but neither is anyone saying Demolition was the greatest tag team of all time. If they never mentioned it I wouldn't have even noticed.
Bruno Sammartino's first world title reign lasted like 8 years I don't think anyone will ever beat that.
The only thing I would have kept was Takers undefeated streak at Wrestlemania as it was becoming more exciting than the world title match, I also think Brock breaking it was a waste I don't think it did anything for Brock but someone like Roman Reigns breaking it for the first time would have at least been huge for Roman Reigns.
WWE is still a business its never been about who does or doesn't deserve a title if they know they can generate interest in promoting John Cena's record world titles attempt they will if they know they can make money out of it. Perhaps in 20 years we will be talking about Roman Reigns beating John Cena's 17 world titles record but its all about making money.

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What does it really matter? Records are made to be broken, history moves forward and let's be honest here. It's bussiness. Will Ric Flair and Demolition come out and wrestle? No they won't. So having a tag team that are the longest tag team champs in history and a guy that has the most world title championships, be on the active roster, it just makes them a bigger deal and a bigger draw. And since they're staying on the active roster, their matches can be a bigger deal.

For example, look at Reigns vs Lesnar from Wrestlemania 34. You have the two people that have defeated The Undertaker, go one-on-one, for the Universal Championship. There's just so much money and headlines to be made out of that sentence, and it automatically sells the match, so anything else they do for the build-up, it's going to be the icing on the cake.
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