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Old 03-26-2018, 08:43 AM
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Who was more integral in preventing WWE from going under- Hogan or Austin?

I am not asking which was more popular. I am asking which wrestler, given what they contributed to WWE in their respective circumstances, was more integral to preventing WWE from going out of business.

When Vince McMahon made WWE a national product, it was a big risk. He toured across the nation, outside the north east, unfamiliar territory for the company. He spent lots of money raiding other territories and risked the company going under with the first WrestleMania. If WWE didn't do great business back then they may very well have gone out of business. No wrestler played a bigger role back then for making WWE successful than Hogan.

In 1996 WWE started on a huge losing streak in the Monday Night War. Many say they were on the brink of going under until they made their comeback against WCW. 3 Raws after Austin won the championship, they finally won again in the ratings. For a very long time afterward Austin got more focus than any other WWE wrestler, all the while WWE sustained much needed momentum in the Monday Night War.

So given what Hogan and Austin did for WWE in their respective circumstances, who did more to prevent them from going under?
Hogan got it popular and got it attention in the 80's when WWE and Wrestlemania took off, and if not for his contribution (as well as others), there would be no WWF/E today.

Austin revived interest in WWE in the late 90's,by being the face of the "Attitude Era", after WWE was being beaten by Hogan and his NWO in WCW, and if not for his contribution, (as well as others), then there would be no WWF/E today.

So, both men's contributions were just as important as each others, in different ways, during different periods, but both (along with others) made WWE what it is today.
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Old 03-26-2018, 08:48 AM
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Between being the conqueor and being the one that's being conquered, the first is considered to be a better position to be at.

WWF was the conqueor with Hogan and the one that was being conqueored by WCW, with Austin.

With that being said, Austin saved the WWF. Austin had a bigger impact when it comes to "preventing WWE from going under".

Think of it in this way: would WWE had started raiding other territories, had they not had Hogan? The answer is no. They would have stayed put. Vince got Hogan, who was already a made star by the time he got into the company, and then Vince started his tour of dominance.

I'm not taking anything away from Hogan. There was and will forever be only one Hulk Hogan. But Austin and Hogan played different roles IMO. The first helped WWE survive and the second helped WWE expand.
"Rowdy" Roddy Piper once said that WWF would have had to close its doors the day after Wrestlemania 1 if it had been a failure.

A lot of Wrestlemania 1's success was due to Hulk Hogan (who had just appeared in Rocky III a few months earlier) and the mainstream attention he and his friend Mr T brought.

So, without Hogan, Wrestlemania would have failed, and WWF would have died, and there would be no WWF/E for Austin to save.

Too bad Hulk Hogan and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin never agreed to do a match at Wrestlemania one year.
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Old 03-26-2018, 09:34 AM
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Hogan, hands down, end of discussion. Remember, if Wrestlemania bombed, WWWF was finished. Hogan, who had reinvented himself from the Florida "surfer dude" gimmick during his first WWWF run, parlayed his Rocky III appearance into a juggernaut in the Squared Circle. VKM threw everything he had onto the back of Hulk Hogan. Had Hogan not been able to bring in the bodies, WWWF was finished.

The Attitude Era had a lot of line cooks in the kitchen. Yes, Austin was a major player. But, things did not turn around for WWF until Mankind aka Mrs. Foley's baby boy won the WWF Strap on Raw. If Austin had faltered, you still had The Rock, Foley, Trips, Taker and more. It was not one man. WWWF in the early to mid 80's needed someone with the power of Hulk Hogan. Period.
WWWF was renamed WWF in 1979, well before Rocky III and WrestleMania. If you're going to speak so definitively, you should do some more homework.

While I will always agree that Hogan was MUCH more important to the history of the company than Austin was, I'm not sure he is the definitive answer to this particular question.

A lot of the responses point to Hogan saving Vince's "all-in" gamble with the inaugural WrestleMania. But, Mania wasn't this going-out-of-business clearance sale where Hogan just luckily popped up and saved the day. The entire event was an investment based on Hogan's popularity. Yes, the company was apparently putting all of its eggs in that basket, but to say Hogan saved WWF is painting an inaccurate portrait of the situation.

I don't think Austin single-handedly saved WWF either. As others have said, although Austin was the biggest name of the Attitude Era, there was plenty there to pick up the slack had he been lifted out of the equation. Austin was huge, but nowhere near the level of Hogan.

However, to answer the question of the OP, I would have to say Austin prevented the company from going under more than Hogan did. Again, he was not the ONLY reason WWF turned things around in the Monday Night Wars. But, 1985 WWF was not in the pickle late 90s WWF was...so Austin is the answer by default. Hogan can't have saved a company from peril, when the whole reason the company was in any danger in the first place was this strategic investment made in Hogan. A fireman can't light a building on fire, put the fire out and then be called a hero for extinguishing it. There was no fire here until Vince decided to bet heavy on the rising star of Hulkamania. To imply that WWF was in trouble and needed WrestleMania to bail it out is misleading. WWF was fine, but Vince wasn't fine with fine. He CHOSE to go for broke and it paid off because of Hogan. But, again, to say Hogan saved this company--when he was the reason for the gamble in the first place--is incorrect.

So, disqualifying Hogan makes Austin the answer to this question.
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Old 03-26-2018, 11:33 AM
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Hogan kept it from going under with the large investment McMahon had on Wrestlemania I but it was Austin who took the WWE to new heights during the Attitude Era. WWE was growing stale with all their top stars leaving for WCW and it was Stone Cold who ultimately put the company back in the driver's seat along with The Rock! Had WCW not failed would WWE be more of a TNA or Ring of Honor type promotion in 2018? Makes you wonder a bit for sure?
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Austin b/c he helped turn things around for WWE.
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Old 03-26-2018, 02:48 PM
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hmm well they both were equally I think but on a more concrete level you have to go with Hogan. Wrestlemania legit would've tanked the WWF as Vince put everything into that financially and if it was for Hogan, Piper and T who knows how that would've have performed.

Theres a lot of heresay about how badly the WWF was doing against WCW but they could afford to get Tyson for WM 14 so I dunno if they were really doing THAT badly to begin with. Austin certainly helped turn the tide but I dont think it was as bad for WWF financially as it could have been in 1985.
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Old 03-27-2018, 12:46 PM
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The one true disappointment concerning the 2 of them though was that Wrestlemania X8 should've closed with Stone Cold vs. Hogan. As great as the Rock is these 2 icons should've had that moment with Austin going over the aging Hogan and thus officially passing the torch.
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Old 03-27-2018, 06:07 PM
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Its a difficult question as I think both are as important as I can't imagine the WWF during the 80's and the first few Wrestlemanias without Hogan, Hard to imagine someone else in Hogan's role during this time and don't think it would have worked anywhere near as good.

Equally I think if there was no Austin in the attitude era to turn it around against WCW during this time the WWE would have been in trouble, Especially when he played off against the Mr Mcmahon character so perfectly.

Really it all comes down to Vince Mcmahon and his vision, If there was no Vince Mcmahon there would be no Hogan or Austin.
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Without Austin during the Monday Night War, WWF would have lost to WCW. Austin and his edgy, anti-establishment gimmick got people to tune in to a show that had, for lack of a better way of putting it, younger, unestablished talent (versus the star power of WCW).
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Old 03-27-2018, 07:31 PM
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It would be nice if people answered the question that was asked instead of who was a bigger star. That is not what was asked. Who prevented WWF from going under? You can choose either for any number of reasons, but answer the question. And that “without Vince” answer by Glasgow or whatever was pathetic. You can end any debate by giving Vince the credit. Such a lame response. Horrible.
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