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Old 10-09-2012, 03:22 PM
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You want change, how about not having the same PPV matches 3-5 PPV's in a row. What about stopping with the predicable Cena matches.
That's the biggest problem in all of wrestling. It's so obvious yet nobody ever fixes it. Promoters just can't figure out fans don't want to keep watching the same damn thing week in, week out. Seriously why does CM Punk need to beat Cena? He's beaten him 6 times already. And every single week you always watch the same guys doing the same stuff over and over again. Why should you pay for a pay per view just to watch the same matches you've been seeing all month on free TV?

Seriously with the size of WWE's main roster not counting guys and gals in developmental, there is just no excuse for it. You say you can't build up any new stars? Well how are these new stars supposed to be built up if they never get any TV time? You also can't keep relying on Stone Cold, Triple H, The Rock, Mr. McMahon, and whatever other old fossils you can pull out of the mothballs to pop the ratings and PPV buys. The new stars don't get their chance to shine. The fans figure "Who cares about those goomers, we got Stone Cold." It's sorta like being a divorced woman's new boyfriend while the ex is still hangin' around.

Another thing, Larry King? Does anybody under 80 actually watch this guy? Hell did anybody under 80 even watch him back in the day? Get some people who are in touch with modern pop culture.

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Old 10-09-2012, 04:26 PM
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Those reports about Vince being confronted backstage by talent made me say to myself "Finally!". I really believe that change is urgent. Im not saying it needs to go back to the crazy days of the attitude era, it just needs something fresh. Cena remains the big star, and whilst I am not a fan of his personally, I feel they actually need to utilise him a lot better. His feuds are ALWAYS the same thing, it never feels like it really gets personal. And when a feud feels personal it makes it more gripping. The last time I felt like Cena was really involved in a bitter and personal rivalry was with Edge.

Now all of Cena's exposure on television is just him coming out, and just shouting alot focussing mainly on the fact that in order to be the best you have to beat him (even though he has lost, quite a lot.) It just feels like Cena has got so big, they don't even really need to put a lot of effort in, and I doubt even he is completely happy about the direction of some of his storylines to be honest.

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Old 10-09-2012, 05:24 PM
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There won't be any changes until Vince stops running the day-to-day operations, which probably won't happen anytime soon.

While I agree the main event of Cena/Punk every PPV needs to change, i like the direction they are going in some of the other talent. The "Team Hell No" angle of Kane and Daniel Bryan has been very entertaining. I think Ryback push is something that is needed, as he appears to be way over now, rather than pushing someone like Tensai or Brodus Clay. The tag team division has been good, and i'm excited for guys like Sandow and Cesario on where they could go.

One of the issues is that they haven't been able to get any heel characters over, and it has had hurt options for storylines and PPV matches. They keep pushing guys like Del Rio and Barrett, and Big Show because they have to.

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I'm pleasantly surprised by the shows that WWE has put on since going to three hours. Last night was a lot of fun (other than the Larry King's wife segment). The week before was drab and uninteresting. Not that I'm keeping track but I would guess that I enjoy two out of every three shows that WWE puts together. I don't think I enjoyed two-thirds of the shows that came out of the precious Attitude Era.

Ryback's push has been interesting, Punk is hitting (pun intended) a good stride with his heel character, Heyman's involvement was a nice surprise, Brodus is a lot of fun, the tag division has value and some good teams, DB has become a star, Kane is standing out as a performer, Sheamus has done some good work, AJ is hit or miss, I like Eve as a champion, Cole has become tolerable, JBL is a nice addition on commentary, I don't like him but it seems others like Antonio Cesaro, and Cena/Punk has great chemistry.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is another fake story put out by WWE to get people to watch. To get people to think something big is going to happen or change only to get the fans to tune in and then forget why they tuned in in the first place.

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Old 10-09-2012, 05:50 PM
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I'm still not buying into Kane and Bryan revitalizing the tag team division because I've seen it try and fail too many times to count. Maybe, they'll change my mind but I have to see what happens once they break up.

I still hate the fact that guys like Dolph Ziggler and The Miz lose all the time when they're supposed to be two of the top heels in the WWE. What I'm more concerned with is the lack of a top midcard face. Any name you want to throw out is a name that is in a tag team which is why I hope Kofi and Truth split up because Kofi can be that guy. He's basically been sort of irrelevant since his feud with Orton and maybe a feud with Miz can elevate him although it would be better if Miz actually wins more than he has.

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If Vince really listened, he'd listen to the fans. People for the most part are sick of the roid freaks he pushes. You want change, how about not having the same PPV matches 3-5 PPV's in a row. What about stopping with the predicable Cena matches.
How many times do we need to see Cena vs Punk? I have to agree with Punk and his view on respect here. How many times does he need to beat Cena in order to earn respect?


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A good example is the upcoming hell in a cell and there is no way wwe creative can live up to expectations of past hitc matchs when blood blows to the head and risky spots are not aloud at all its a bit silly really vince is expecting too much off creative he just needs to loosen their leash a bit before he starts firing people
Hell In A Cell has more or less become your standard cage match. With HIAC I WANT BLOOD! This type of match should be brutal instead of the pillow-fight in a pod that it has become.


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What I'm more concerned with is the lack of a top midcard face.
May I throw a suggestion here?

Have Ryback win BOTH the US and Intercontinental Titles, and defend them both. Come Royal Rumble/Road to Wrestlemania time, have him go along the lines of, "You know what? I'm still hungry. I want World titles." C'mon WWE, I want some unpredictability. You want to build up Ryback as this unstoppable/"hungry" monster? Then give him some titles, and have him chasing the big two (WHC and WWE belts).

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Who to say it is just one persons fault that WWE failing. You still got to go through VKM. At the end of the day its still all up to him. I also allot of other things have a factor on everything in WWE. Such as Linda Running for office. So I don’t thinks it’s just one person, I think as a whole they have no clue anymore. It just seems they are not even trying. I will say HHH pushing the tag teams are doing a lot better now.

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Whoever blew up on Vince backstage that night ( I can only speculate it was Punk based on what was rumored to be said), was more than justified. Ask yourselves this, what has Vince ever learned from his trials and tribulations. What has he ever learned from his failures.

If he had had his way before the attitude era we would remember Steve Austin as a high mid-carder called The Rinmaster. If things went the way Vince wanted them to go, Rocky Mavia would have been a third generation footnote dressed in silly purple tights, with ridiculous hair, pandering to a crowd that hated him.

The WWE would be dead if Vince had had his way.

Vince being this far into running this business and still not being able to grasp that his biggest boom periods came when he loosened the reigns and let the talent get themselves over. When he realized other people could have great ideas as well, and that he himself is at his best as an on air talent and creative filter.

The truth is I think his lack of humility and inability to learn from his mistakes, means until he retires we have no chance of ever seeing another boom period in wrestling. Even a marginal increase is unlikely.

Not until someone who trusts the talent to get themselves over is in charge. Not until someone who learns from their mistakes takes over...

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