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Old 12-03-2015, 05:48 AM
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Next 50 replies if it's confirmed to be an extremist-Islamic terrorist attack = Islamophobia

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Old 12-03-2015, 07:05 AM
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Might as well give up on the gun control argument. We'll need another 50 or so years before people come around to that, unfortunately. Think marijuana, abortion and gay marriage. The people just aren't ready for it. Why? I don't know.
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Old 12-03-2015, 07:10 AM
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Next 50 replies if it's confirmed to be an extremist-Islamic terrorist attack = Islamophobia
I'm not really sure what you're suggesting with this. Are you suggesting that if it's confirmed to be a terrorist attack, then people will start making Islamophobic comments? Or if it's confirmed to be a terrorist attack then people will blame Islamophobia as the inspiration?

If it's the latter, then I'd argue that, while Islamophobia certainly doesn't shift the blame away from the perpetrators of the attack, Islamophobia is a powerful recruitment tool for terrorist cells. Which would you rather be: a victim or a threat?

But I think it's ugly to speculate this early on in the investigation. I get the desire to do so (and even gave into it, obviously), but we shouldn't jump to conclusions after such a tragic event.
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California has the strictest gun control laws in the country. Yet This happened. Can anyone tell me how this happened when again it's nigh impossible to get a gun in California legitimately?
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California has the strictest gun control laws in the country. Yet This happened. Can anyone tell me how this happened when again it's nigh impossible to get a gun in California legitimately?
What gun laws in CA make it nigh impossible?
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:32 AM
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What gun laws in CA make it nigh impossible?
Almost impossible. You can still get a gun legally but it's extremely hard TO get one. I'm also not a lawyer so I don't know any laws off the top of my head.
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In other words, don't fail the test via stroke halfway through and you'll get yourself anything under assault class in 10 days. Or you could just drive a couple of hours and bypass every law because state laws mean shit all in a country that doesn't have magic gates on state borders that take away stuff you're not supposed to have.

Either way, "X state has harsh gun control" is a hilarious argument when "harsh gun control" really means that it's easy to get a gun rather than the alternative of them being handed out with McDonald's happy meals.
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California has the strictest gun control laws in the country. Yet This happened. Can anyone tell me how this happened when again it's nigh impossible to get a gun in California legitimately?
This article shows that there is a strong correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun related deaths.

http://mashable.com/2015/10/10/gun-l...k#EOX0WSlCO5qr
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California has the strictest gun control laws in the country. Yet This happened. Can anyone tell me how this happened when again it's nigh impossible to get a gun in California legitimately?
Because you can drive to another state with much more lenient laws and purchase a firearm there, rather than dealing with a stricter regulatory regime in a different state. State firearm regulations are entirely meaningless in a system where someone can drive over a state border and their biggest worry is if they're going too far over the speed limit, and a national framework hasn't been seriously attempted.
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You can buy guns at Wal-Mart. Do you really think some 16 year old is going to adhere to whatever gun regulations they're supposed to follow or just do whatever to get through their day without someone complaining to their manager?
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