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Old 06-16-2017, 08:23 PM
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What year signaled the start of the end of the Golden era (1984-92)?
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Most will say Wrestlemania 6 in 1990 was the peak of the Hulkamania era with over 60,000 packed in SkyDome. It also marked the passing of the torch from Hogan to Warrior. One can argue business dropped significantly after that with Wrestlemania 7 taking place at the LA sports arena. 1991 also saw the departure of Ultimate Warrior.

I personally point to 1992 as the year. The WWF loses Hogan. Warrior returns only to have less of an impact than hoped for and is gone at the end of year. Savage is done as a full time performer so is Piper. Jake the Snake, Sid, Flair, LOD, Bulldog, Warlord, Barbarian and Hercules are all gone. Ted DiBiase is wrestling tag matches. Bret Shawn and Razor are elevated to the top spots signalling the start of the New Generation.
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Most will say Wrestlemania 6 in 1990 was the peak of the Hulkamania era with over 60,000 packed in SkyDome. It also marked the passing of the torch from Hogan to Warrior. One can argue business dropped significantly after that with Wrestlemania 7 taking place at the LA sports arena. 1991 also saw the departure of Ultimate Warrior.

I personally point to 1992 as the year. The WWF loses Hogan. Warrior returns only to have less of an impact than hoped for and is gone at the end of year. Savage is done as a full time performer so is Piper. Jake the Snake, Sid, Flair, LOD, Bulldog, Warlord, Barbarian and Hercules are all gone. Ted DiBiase is wrestling tag matches. Bret Shawn and Razor are elevated to the top spots signalling the start of the New Generation.
Yeah, pretty much everyone was gone by '92 or '93. To add on: Greg Valentine, Tito Santana, Big Boss Man, the Nasty Boys, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Jimmy Hart. And most of the ones who hung around until '94-'95 were rarely seen on TV: Rick Martel, Bushwhackers, Koko B Ware.
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I think that era began decaying earlier around WM 5.

No Holds Barred bombed and thus Hogan had to get the belt back from Savage (although they flogged it like a dead horse) and those were the first cracks that appeared.

This was also the first "oil change" of talent that hadn't been a roaring success. Those who came in in 1984/5 had all done great business but those who joined in 1987 and replaced them hadn't done quite as well...often because of Hogan.

Ted DiBiase for example, was meant to be champion but wasn't, ultimately because Hogan needed the belt back. Hacksaw Jim Duggan's drugs bust meant he hadn't received the planned push and he was floundering in lower card feuds, Bam Bam had left as quickly as he arrived and Honky Tonk Man had lost his sheen with Vince.

Of the 87 debutees, only Rick Rude was really working as a character and that's a poor return on the potential they had in 87 when they all debuted... by 1990 they'd pissed that great character away too.

I always consider Royal Rumble 1990 to be the real "end of that era" - It was the last time Hogan entered the Rumble as champ, "just to win it", the title didn't need to be part of it and the talent on display on the card was arguably the peak of the era...

From just a World Champ perspective you had Martel and Hennig (AWA), Garvin and Dusty (NWA), Hogan, Andre and Savage (WWF) on there and that's before Rude, Piper, DiBiase and the like.

After that talent began to disappear regularly over the next year... indeed by Rumble 1991 had finished, Rude, Garvin and Rhodes were gone...
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I'd say WM3 was the absoloute peak of the Hogan era.... though business was still strong into 1989 and up to WM6
However by 1991 there was a downturn in PPV buys- and WM7 has to be switched venues due to poor ticket sales (WWE claimed there was a switch as a bomb precaution) but whatever... a smaller venue was used.
The WWE receieved a lot of negative press by turning the Iraq war into a storyline, as real life American troops were being killed (and it ended weeks BEFORE wrestlemania 7 yet the WWE kept the story going anyway till Hogan got the belt back from Sgt Slaughter)

Though business was to take another downturn after Hogan left (apart from Summerslam 92 but that was UK based).... Hogans star was beginning to fade long before he did vacate the spotlight

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As has been mentioned in earlier posts, Mania 3 in 87 was the peak of the golden era. Business was still strong heading into Mania 4 in 88 as evident by the rating for the Main Event where Andre beat Hogan only to sell the title to DiBiasi causing the tourney for the vacant title at Mania 4. That would be as good as it got for this era, but business was still strong all the way through Mania 6 in 90. From there we see the decline begin with many factors that can be attributed to it. I always viewed the end of this era to be when Bret won the title from Flair in Sep. 92. While he wasn't the first young guy to win the title with Taker and Warrior before him, he was the first guy to win the title that represented a different style then the previous champs. Coupled with Bret winning the title you have Hogan on vacation only to return for 2 more matches before leaving for good in 93, Savage finishing his last full time run for the company, Warrior about to be suspended and gone almost for good except a short return in 96 and Flair on his way out by the beginning of 93.

I believe for those reasons that Bret winning the title in 92 was the end of the Golden Era.
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Hard for me to consider '87 the "peak" when the business was still very much on the rise from '88 to '90. The WWF went from 2 PPV's in '87 to the four in '88. I believe they also increased their Saturday Night's Main Events if I'm not mistaken.They continued to sell out everywhere they went, the ratings for SNME and Superstars of Wrestling were incredible, not only was Hogan a huge crossover star but Roddy Piper, Jesse Ventura, and Zeus (Tiny Lister) all made movie debuts in the late '80's. WWF wrestlers made appearances on Regis and Kathy Lee and Arsenio Hall.

What I think sets the years '88'-'91 apart from '84-'87 was the WWF really hit the kids' market hard. While the WWF used MTV to crossover in '84 when they flooded the kids' market with action toys, video games, and wrestling "buddies" is where they really took off. Parents were lining up outside Toys R Us to buy their kids the latest WWF toy. If you had an action figure made in the late '80's you were set for life. That all translated to the WWF's immense popularity in the late 80's all the way up to 1990. They didn't draw 90,000 like at WM 3 but they easily could've at the SkyDome in '90. I don't think there was any drop off from '87-'90 in the big picture.
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Ted DiBiase for example, was meant to be champion but wasn't, ultimately because Hogan needed the belt back. Hacksaw Jim Duggan's drugs bust meant he hadn't received the planned push and he was floundering in lower card feuds, Bam Bam had left as quickly as he arrived and Honky Tonk Man had lost his sheen with Vince.

Of the 87 debutees, only Rick Rude was really working as a character and that's a poor return on the potential they had in 87 when they all debuted... by 1990 they'd pissed that great character away too.
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The Golden Era ended in 1980 after Vince Bought the World Wide Wrestling Federation Entertainment LLC from his Father. The ERA Between 1980-1997 was known as Federation ERA as far as WWF is concerned. So end of discussion it was 1980.
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I think that era began decaying earlier around WM 5.

No Holds Barred bombed and thus Hogan had to get the belt back from Savage (although they flogged it like a dead horse) and those were the first cracks that appeared.

This was also the first "oil change" of talent that hadn't been a roaring success. Those who came in in 1984/5 had all done great business but those who joined in 1987 and replaced them hadn't done quite as well...often because of Hogan.

Ted DiBiase for example, was meant to be champion but wasn't, ultimately because Hogan needed the belt back. Hacksaw Jim Duggan's drugs bust meant he hadn't received the planned push and he was floundering in lower card feuds, Bam Bam had left as quickly as he arrived and Honky Tonk Man had lost his sheen with Vince.

Of the 87 debutees, only Rick Rude was really working as a character and that's a poor return on the potential they had in 87 when they all debuted... by 1990 they'd pissed that great character away too.

I always consider Royal Rumble 1990 to be the real "end of that era" - It was the last time Hogan entered the Rumble as champ, "just to win it", the title didn't need to be part of it and the talent on display on the card was arguably the peak of the era...

From just a World Champ perspective you had Martel and Hennig (AWA), Garvin and Dusty (NWA), Hogan, Andre and Savage (WWF) on there and that's before Rude, Piper, DiBiase and the like.

After that talent began to disappear regularly over the next year... indeed by Rumble 1991 had finished, Rude, Garvin and Rhodes were gone...
Only Rude was working as a character? Regardless of whether he won the title, in what world was Ted Dibiase's character not working? He's one of the most memorable characters in WWE history.
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