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Old 08-31-2015, 11:10 AM
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After watching this video on YouTube, I wrote in the comments that this wasn't the first time I've heard stories from past wrestlers talk about how selfish Bret was and about how he only thought of his own character. I had forgotten that I was talking negatively about Bret Hart on the internet. After I posted that comment, you'd have thought that I killed someone. Some people responded to me and said that the real reason Bret was like that was because he took the business very seriously. Others said that the WWF was building up for their WrestleMania 12 main event and needed Bret to look like a huge babyface for the Iron Man Match vs HBK. I'm of the opinion that it wouldn't have hurt Bret's character at all to just have taken the powerbomb and still walk out as champion. Like Nash said, it would've added to his match with 'Taker and would've made it mean more. One guy even told me that Nash was a nobody then and didn't deserve to perceive to have beaten Bret because he was nothing. To which I responded with how could Nash have been a nobody then when he had just come off of the longest Title run of the 90s? I said at that point in time he was just as over as Bret and HBK. So I thought I would share the video here and get the forum's opinion on the subject.

What do you guys think? Was Bret Hart selfish for not taking Nash's finish before 'Taker pulled Nash under the ring in that cage match or am I completely off base? Was Bret right in what he did? Was it actions like these that led to his problems with guys like HBK and others? Was it actions like these that led to the Montreal Screwjob? Let me know your opinions.
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Old 08-31-2015, 04:31 PM
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It probably was selfish for Hart not to take the power bomb.

However, it was Bret's responsibility to look out for Bret's character. Wrestling is a very political business. It think if knew everything about every wrestler we ever loved, we'd be disgusted with the whole lot.

Would it have hurt him? No. What reasons did he have? We don't know.

What we do know is that Nash is seen as one of the most self-centered jackasses in the history of the business, and I have a hard time taking his word on this.
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Old 08-31-2015, 06:34 PM
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People are successful due to their egos and Bret is no different. Wrestling is a sport where you always have to do whatever you have to to keep your character strong. Shawn and Nash were asses and would have been if Bret was there or not. Bret was old school and believed things we're done a certain way but if Vince was going to allow Shawn and others to follow their own rules he could play that game too.
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:19 AM
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Bret was looking out for the main event of the biggest show of the year. Was it a little selfish? SURE, but at the same time I wouldn't have had a problem if anyone else was in his position. Bret had to look strong going into the Iron Man match, because it makes Shawn winning that much more important.

Also, Nash can fucking BLOW ME about saying his match was the "Co-Main". That was a one match show, and that one match sure as shit wasn't Diesel vs Taker in a "This means absolutely nothing" match.
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I think Bret was selfish in 1994 when he didn't job to Owen at SummerSlam. It would have solidified Owen as a top-player and it could have set-up Bret vs. HBK vs. Diesel in the main event of WM 11.
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:25 PM
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I think Bret was selfish in 1994 when he didn't job to Owen at SummerSlam. It would have solidified Owen as a top-player and it could have set-up Bret vs. HBK vs. Diesel in the main event of WM 11.
Huh? Bret wasn't the booker.

He was booked to win. He didn't play politics to get that win.

He put Owen over at WrestleMania, and that MADE Owen. Owen was a nobody in WWF before that.
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Old 09-03-2015, 06:37 AM
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What is the logic in saying Bret was selfish for not making Nash look stronger but Nash was right for wanting to make Bret look weaker?

Bret was the champion and he was being positioned to drop the strap to HBK to get Michaels' reign off to as strong a start as possible. How does Bret only holding on to the title because Undertaker interfered when Nash had him beat do that exactly? Bret taking the jacknife powerpomb not only makes him look like a weak champion but it also messes with HBK's start as champion too.

I guarantee you it wasn't just Bret saying he shouldn't take the finisher, there's no way Vince would have allowed it either and I'm sure HBK wouldn't have wanted it if consulted.
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Bret was the champion and he was being positioned to drop the strap to HBK to get Michaels' reign off to as strong a start as possible. How does Bret only holding on to the title because Undertaker interfered when Nash had him beat do that exactly?
Yeah, I agree with this. There was no reason for Bret to take Nash' jackknife at the end of the match. It does everything for Nash and absolutely nothing for Bret, your champion, who is defending the title in the main event of Wrestlemania 12 one month from then. Selfish? No, I wouldn't call it that. More like logic. Why would you make Diesel, who is 4 months away from jumping to WCW, look stronger than Bret, your WWF Champion and face of the company?

It would have been a poor booking decision heading into the Hart/Michaels Mania match, and it would have only added a small element to the Taker/Diesel Mania match. As hardheaded and stubborn as Bret was, he was also very intelligent when it came to the ins and outs of the wrestling business, and he understood that there was no logic in having Diesel look like he had Bret beat.
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Bret was and to an extent still is a master of hiding his political abilities. He was the middle son who never wanted to be a wrestler, yet ends up the most successful over the "better workers" like Bruce and Owen... yet he was always the "reasonable one" on the surface, where Bruce was "outspoken" and Owen "the joker".

I can well believe Nash pushing for his finish, but by then it was also known Nash was leaving... Why should Bret then help make him look any stronger for the competition?

When it came to Montreal, Bret was selfish - he was selfish to an extent not dropping the title to Davey at IYH 5 in their rematch he had to get "his win" back, a criticism levelled at Hogan in the past.

But Bret was in many ways a good kind of selfish, he looked at it from a fans perspective more than Shawn, Nash or Hogan did... or rather HIS fans perspective, so he was if anything a little short-sighted rather than out and out selfish. The only time he balked was to Shawn on his way out... how many times did Nash, Hogan or Shawn use the "that doesn't work for me brother" or a variation of it?
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I don't even know if it was Bret Hart's decision at the Royal Rumble against Kevin Nash

Nash wasn't political during his career? I don't think Bret Hart was anymore political than any others at his level, In your theory I guess the only ones who can't be accused of being seflish would be the jobbers.
I believe it was a different era back then where wrestlers had to protect their reputation and character.
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