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Old 09-17-2011, 09:06 PM
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Right now Hogan sounds like he is on the way out. His back is said to be better than it has been in years but it is also more fragile and he cant do anything but talk, when you have given the same interview for 30 years which is bland as hell and you can't offset that blandness on television that hurts. There is also tension between him and Russo, for some reason Hogan wont put his foot down as an exec and say "This is what will happen so make it happen" like he has the power to do. I just think like he did to Jim Cornette, Russo has made someone else want to kill him but would leave before that happened.

Bischoff on the other hand sounds like he is in for the long haul. Bischoff said that before he leaves he wants IMPACT at NITRO levels, meaning if accurate between a 3.5 and 5.2 rating. Bischoff truly wants one final shot at building a company and once again creating competition in the business. I believe Bischoff wants to not only bring back an eventual Monday Night Wars but to this time win it.

In my opinion TNA doesn't need more talent, it doesn't need new writers (though getting rid of Russo would help), what TNA needs, what they have not had, is a LEADER, someone to say this is what we are doing and you all work within those guidelines. That leader was suppose to be Hulk Hogan, but it is clear Hogan lacks the iron fist you sometimes need. Bischoff has proven for 20 years he has that fist and can be that leader.

In the end I can see a new Bischoff era centered around the X-Division and the young heavyweights like Bobby Roode and Gunner. Like him or not Bischoff is a strong leader who has made billions of dollars in the industry in his career for companies. The only executive to ever do more is Vince McMahon.

Bischoff is the best option for TNA as a leader. Can Hogan be a part of that? Yes. However I don't think Hogan can be a strong on-screen character due to his back.
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:42 AM
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Atleast Hogan and Bischoff can sleep knowing they didn't "Ruin" anything.
ROFL This is the biggest joke i've read all day. Can't stop laughing....LMBO!!! This comment is better than the old spice commercials...LOLOL!!!
They didn't RUIN anything? Are you serious??? LOLOL wow.....

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Russo's storytelling is perfectly fine BUT his booking is predictable. TNA simply needs to add the right creative cast around him and not hire some idiot that thinks he knows it all. Cornette thinks he's the shit, Heyman thinks he's the shit and none of them did anything memorable in wrestling at all.
Say you dont like Heyman...Say he's greedy...Say he's a loud mouth. Say he's a control freak. Say what you want, but to say he hasn't done anything memorable in wrestling is one of the dumbest statements I've heard on these boards...(barring the whole Matt Hardy/Kurt Angle dream match crap. Nothing beats that.)
Paul Heyman and ECW was the catalyst for so much of what you're seeing in wrestling right now its ridiculous. The entire hardcore movement is a result of ECW and Paul Heyman...He is solely responsible for most if not all of the ideas that WWE stole relating to ANYTHING hardcore, mainly TLC matches and Hell in a Cell. Not to mention the many careers he's gotten over and gotten started. People like, Edge, Kurt Angle (during his tenure as head writer on smackdown) Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero...

I'm not saying the Heyman is the messiah by any means. I'm not saying that he'd come in and have NO problems or that he'd turn it around immediately. What I am saying is that a learning experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted and the fact of the matter is, he didn't get what he wanted with ECW and that was a complete take over of the wrestling industry. MY feeling is that with time comes wisdom and I believe when you've done all that he has done and failed you learn and I believe that under Paul Heyman within 5 years, TNA would become SERIOUS competition to the WWE.

He hasn't done anything memorable? Are you serious???
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Old 09-18-2011, 10:25 AM
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I'm trying to figure out why people care so much about what HTM has said? So what? Hogan, sooner or later, is going to call it a career. Why does it matter if HTM is right about this or not?
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:33 PM
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I didn't even know Honkey said Hogan was leaving. I just listen to how he talks and read that his contract was coming up in October. He TALKS like a guy who is getting worn down under the stress of his position. We know he is in terrible shape physically and that the last 4 years have been stressful for him WITHOUT dealing with Russo, now add Russo and see his extensions fall out. I would be surprised if he didn't leave or join production.
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ROFL This is the biggest joke i've read all day. Can't stop laughing....LMBO!!! This comment is better than the old spice commercials...LOLOL!!!
They didn't RUIN anything? Are you serious??? LOLOL wow.....
Uhh ? No? What did they ruin? The 6 sided ring?

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Say you dont like Heyman...Say he's greedy...Say he's a loud mouth. Say he's a control freak. Say what you want, but to say he hasn't done anything memorable in wrestling is one of the dumbest statements I've heard on these boards...(barring the whole Matt Hardy/Kurt Angle dream match crap. Nothing beats that.)
I say it because it's true and you haven't denied it either.

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n and ECW was the catalyst for so much of what you're seeing in wrestling right now its ridiculous. The entire hardcore movement is a result of ECW and Paul Heyman...He is solely responsible for most if not all of the ideas that WWE stole relating to ANYTHING hardcore, mainly TLC matches and Hell in a Cell. Not to mention the many careers he's gotten over and gotten started. People like, Edge, Kurt Angle (during his tenure as head writer on smackdown) Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero...
Lol WWE stole something they bought? I might as well say everything in my house is stolen. Kurt Angle? Lol He became a legend in WWF not ECW.

If Heyman did such great things then why did the company fold? It sure as hell was his fault.
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I'm not saying the Heyman is the messiah by any means.
No. He's obviously your son.
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I'm not saying that he'd come in and have NO problems or that he'd turn it around immediately. What I am saying is that a learning experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted and the fact of the matter is, he didn't get what he wanted with ECW and that was a complete take over of the wrestling industry. MY feeling is that with time comes wisdom and I believe when you've done all that he has done and failed you learn and I believe that under Paul Heyman within 5 years, TNA would become SERIOUS competition to the WWE.


Making it an MMA knockoff and pandering to 300,000 people is certainly going to make it competition.
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He hasn't done anything memorable? Are you serious???
I'm very serious.
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Old 09-18-2011, 08:02 PM
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I hate to disagree with you Dizzy, because I typically agree with 95% of your posts I read, But [cL] is right on a couple of things here... saying that Heyman did nothing memorable in the business is a borderline ridiculous stance. And saying that the WWE wasn't stealing storylines, characters, ideas, etc. from Heyman/ECW at the early stages of attitude era is practically pure ignorance. And no one should be pressed to give examples to back-up what is a basic grasp of Heyman/WWE/ECW history.
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If Paul Heyman was so great, why did ECW fail?
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Old 09-19-2011, 01:07 AM
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If Paul Heyman was so great, why did ECW fail?
Thank You.

Heyman made ECW the biggest alternatives to wrestling against WWE and WCW. Ironically, the had a TV deal with TNN (Now known as Spike) created industry stars in Dreamer, RVD, Balls, etc. Now, he had ALL control and he failed to manage the assets, finances, payment and TNN dropped them. ECW died out.

Everyone wants to think that's how WCW died when that's not what happened. So again, what has Heyman done so great? ECW had no legit storylines like mainstream companies like WCW and WWF.

Heyman having full control was recently displayed in ECW's return in 2006. How did that go? He booked the entire December to Dismember PPV (which I liked) but everyone rated as a terrible PPV. He was quickly fired right after that.

So, Instead what does Heyman do to stay relevant? He panders to Internet fans like most people in this forum that just worships him without knowing the man's credentials and refusing to look at his resume of failure. Let's face it, If Heyman was the shit, he would be employed by WWE and hired to book or write. According to many WWE fans, this is the "Reality Era" right? He should have been hired right?

Heyman wants to join TNA but not ROH? Why is that? Jeff Katz is running a new promotion called Wrestling Revolution Project but Heyman hasn't signed on to be a booker or creative control writer. Why is that?

EVERYONE is delusional to think Heyman wants to do positive things for TNA. The man has touched every promotion ever known to man that is mainstream, TNA hires everyone besides him. Not a coincidence.

He reportedly wanted a 5 million dollar contract which is far from what Hogan/Bischoff make. He wanted more control than Dixie Carter which is like asking for more power than Vince McMahon. Good luck getting that.

There hasn't been an established game plan but talking about making it similar to MMA and firing guys that are 40. If he did that, Bully Ray wouldn't even be around and we all know he is the greatest heel in wrestling today.

He wanted to bring in Gabe...Who has not made ROH successful and Dragon Gate USA and coincidentally is also charged with molestation. So, people want to make a big deal about what Kurt Angle or Jeff did while people here are advocating TNA hiring a sexual offender.

For all we know, he could have destroyed it. TNA has come along way in 9 years and far beyond anything WWE did within their first 9 years of birth. Why the hell do they need him?

The product is consistent. You take out Immortal and there is really nothing bad about it. Everyone has their own feuds and matches within divisions, certain talent is being pushed.

TNA is booked all around the world FAR beyond what ECW did. If Heyman found a way to destroy a product that made money and generated a unique fanbase, there is no way in hell I would trust him running ANY promotion. Atleast, Russo has had a job elsewhere for the last 7 years. Heyman hasn't done shit since losing ECW and then booking ECW's return only to get fired.

His current promotion job is a fail considering his biggest project was EA Sports MMA Video game which absolutely BOMBED in sales. 50,000 units sold for a video game is horrendous.

Heyman plants lies into fans with no real form of thinking outside of the Indy smark box and It shows considering when you look at his real past, he hasn't done any memorable shit. Nobody even remembers him being Lesnar's manger on SmackDown. Nobody remembers him being a heel commentator for SmackDown.

Heyman and Cornette are the most overrated people in wrestling and they somehow are worshiped by the IWC.
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If Paul Heyman was so great, why did ECW fail?
ECW failed because Heyman kept himself fully in charge of the financial/business aspects of the company. Although he has one of greatest minds ever for the wrestling business itself, his regular "business sense" left much to be desired.

The company's failure had nothing to do with the wrestling product which remained stellar right to the end. In fact ECW probably produced its overall best work as a company over the course of its final couple years. And that occurred in spite of the aforementioned financial/business issues that caused them to lose talent on a regular basis, often with little-to-no notice(including losing their world champ). In light of that revolving door of talent, the product that Heyman was able to present is a further testament to his prowess as a booker/writer.
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