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Old 06-12-2018, 12:37 PM
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Pretty obvious here....

Nikki Bella breaks AJ Lee's record

Brock Lesnar breaks CM Punk's record

Do the math WWE wants there names nowhere near the top of record books.
The math is Nikki is about to get Brock smashed.
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Old 06-12-2018, 01:19 PM
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I don't think surpassing Punk's record is or ever was part of the plan. It's a happy accident, that's undeniable. But it certainly is not now nor ever was it a driving force behind this title run.

Brock Lesnar held the title for the year to make Reigns look strong. That was the reason, that was the angle. Lesnar's run was supposed to end at a year, but they never got Roman over with the crowd. If Dean Ambrose never got hurt, it might have been a different story and Shield Roman might have gone over.

I have my doubts that the call for Brock to retain at Mania was meant to have Brock's days eclipse Punk's days. It may have come up in the discussion for all we know, or in the back of Vince's head, but it can't have been the deciding factor.

Yes, Lesnar's run is with a different, albeit pallet swapped, main event WWE title. That belt is still a main event WWE, for better or for worse. Reigns, Strowman or Rollins seem poised to end Brock's run (in that particular order of likeliness). When it's done, Brock will have held a main event belt for more days than Punk.

What does it matter though? The Universal title is not the belt held by Bruno, Hogan, and Austin. Lesnar wrestled less, defended the belt far less, and participated in far fewer notable matches. Punk wrestled some absolute classics with Cena. Nothing can underpin the importance of that run.

Let Lesnar break the record. It's significance is subjective. Ultimately each individual fan will recognize which title run matters most to them. WWE will push which statistic matters most to them. In five or 10 years Punk might have come crawling back and Brock might be back in UFC, and WWE will flip the script again. The history books are written by the victors, but they are interpreted by the individual.
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:19 PM
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Is it a "snub"? I guess you can view it that way. But if they could have someone beat that record, why wouldn't they?

On the one hand, you have a guy who is now the longest reigning champion in WWE of the past 30 years or whatever, who will inevitably be dethroned by someone. Probably Roman. That's a story and an achievement.

On the other hand, you have a guy who you don't like and who doesn't like you, who bad mouths your company and is in a lawsuit with you, and has said he will never wrestle again, let alone in WWE.

I'm sure if they had a story they wanted to tell, they would have no problem having Brock drop the title. But certainly the opportunity to remove Punk as a top record holder was considered.
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It's already been said... the Universal Championship isn't the WWE Championship. Different lineage all together. So Punk's title reign is still in tact as far as I'm concerned. Nobody is comparing the Miz and how many days he's held the IC Title to whoever has held the US Title for the most combined days just because they're both mid card titles.
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Maybe it's just conspiracy type thinking here but I'm wondering if all this time Lesnar continuing this long title reign is to go over Punk's long title reign so if anything in the future is brought up on long title reigns they can include Lesnar's and not have to mention Punk's? Because in reality Lesnar should've dropped that title a long time ago. Honestly back when Punk had it, they let him continue to have it so they could drop it to the Rock which they had planned since that summer of 2012. Anyways just some thought...
As a lot of people have said before, the Universal Title isn't the WWE title but at the same time WWE is known to do this.

Divas Title: Nikki Bella passed AJ Lee as the longest reigning champ

US Title: MVP's first reign was for 343 days back in 07. Then in 2013 when MVP was in New Japan and becoming popular again, Dean Ambrose won it and held it for 351 days (when he was with the shield) and lost the title to Sheamus.
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Old 06-12-2018, 04:58 PM
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US Title: MVP's first reign was for 343 days back in 07. Then in 2013 when MVP was in New Japan and becoming popular again, Dean Ambrose won it and held it for 351 days (when he was with the shield) and lost the title to Sheamus.
Calling complete bullshit on this one. I don't think WWE gave two shits about what MVP was doing nor were they probably even aiming for this. The title was just floating around anyways and didn't mean much by the time Dean got it.
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Calling complete bullshit on this one. I don't think WWE gave two shits about what MVP was doing nor were they probably even aiming for this. The title was just floating around anyways and didn't mean much by the time Dean got it.
Nah, MVP was in the upper card of TNA. That was around the same time when he was teaming up with Kenny King and TNA World Champion Bobby Lashley. WWE's longest reigning US champion is now working for the enemy.

Dean Ambrose won the Championship on May 18, 2013 at that year’s edition of Extreme Rules, defeating Kofi Kingston. From that date until the end of the 2013, Dean Ambrose defended the title a total of 10 times. In 2014, including the title loss to Sheamus on Raw, Ambrose defended just four times. That means that in the span of close to a full calendar year, Ambrose had just 14 title defenses, equaling out to a decimal more than one defense per month. The longest time spent between matches involving the US Championship was from October 28, 2013 when he defeated Big E Langston to February 10th, 2014, a victory over Mark Henry – a near four month period.

Ever notice Ambrose with the Gold backstage? That’s because for the most part, Ambrose never carried it with him during promos or vignettes. When he did, he held it below camera view. On the rare occasion that he did, it was just to spark a snide remark from one of his Shield teammates about the lack of defending the Title. A comment usually shrugged off or let go with an eye roll. On another note, whenever Ambrose was involved in a match, he’d usually toss his belt to the ground before jumping over the barricade during his entrance or toss it into the ring like any other object. At Extreme Rules, Ambrose even kicked his Championship to the side, showing that the belt meant nothing compared to what was at stake in his match with Evolution.

Look at numbers 3 and 4 on this list and tell me that I'm wrong:

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Default Is Lesnar's title reign longer to snub CM Punk?

WWE has done it again.

With AJ Lee and Nikki Bella, Nikki held the Diva's championship and went longer.

The deal with Brock Lesner breaking CM Punks Record to WWE means WWE has their way. What WWE Fails to see is Broke Lesner is the UNIVERSAL champion where AJ Styles holds the WWE Championship, the title of WWE, the one CM Punk walked off with With Brock going over punks record means he held /A/ title not the WWE Championship for that long so in most cases CM Punks record is not broken Despite what WWE Will want you to think

Of course this is also to snub him but you also have to look at CM Punk was there week in and week out where Part time Brock only defended a handful of times. To me a Champion does not pick and chose when he will show up. this is why as long as Brock holds the Red brands title things like MitB contract is useless. How to you cash in anytime on someone who hardly shows up?

Think what you want of Punk. he wasted his time going to UFC IMO but he defended the WWE Championship the whole time. If WWE really wants to snub CM Punk let AJ Styles hold onto the title for another 16 months. The WWE Universe does like him as Champ.
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Give me a break. A few short years ago we complained that titles were treated as hot potatoes and reigns were too short. Now we have long reigns, which are apparently only done to spite past talents.

Enough.

While we're at it, Honky Tonk isn't exactly in high favour with WWE, yet I haven't seen effort to break the 64-week Intercontinental championship reign. In fact, Cody Rhodes brought back the classic Intercontinental title design. We should be SHOCKED they haven't reintroduced the egg-shaped belt to spite that ingrate.

I guarantee when Miz gets his 9th and 10th reign someone's going to say it's because Chris Jericho went to New Japan.
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Nah, MVP was in the upper card of TNA. That was around the same time when he was teaming up with Kenny King and TNA World Champion Bobby Lashley. WWE's longest reigning US champion is now working for the enemy.

Dean Ambrose won the Championship on May 18, 2013 at that year’s edition of Extreme Rules, defeating Kofi Kingston. From that date until the end of the 2013, Dean Ambrose defended the title a total of 10 times. In 2014, including the title loss to Sheamus on Raw, Ambrose defended just four times. That means that in the span of close to a full calendar year, Ambrose had just 14 title defenses, equaling out to a decimal more than one defense per month. The longest time spent between matches involving the US Championship was from October 28, 2013 when he defeated Big E Langston to February 10th, 2014, a victory over Mark Henry – a near four month period.

Ever notice Ambrose with the Gold backstage? That’s because for the most part, Ambrose never carried it with him during promos or vignettes. When he did, he held it below camera view. On the rare occasion that he did, it was just to spark a snide remark from one of his Shield teammates about the lack of defending the Title. A comment usually shrugged off or let go with an eye roll. On another note, whenever Ambrose was involved in a match, he’d usually toss his belt to the ground before jumping over the barricade during his entrance or toss it into the ring like any other object. At Extreme Rules, Ambrose even kicked his Championship to the side, showing that the belt meant nothing compared to what was at stake in his match with Evolution.

Look at numbers 3 and 4 on this list and tell me that I'm wrong:

https://www.wwe.com/inside/dean-ambr...ates-champions
Oh yes, rival TNA. That company that was a huge threat to WWE. The one that nearly took them down when they moved to Monday nights. They knew they had to do something, especially since MVP was lighting TNA on fire. That something was give Dean Ambrose a title that had essentially become meaningless and let him break a record no one cared about nor noticed. They didn't give two fucks what MVP was doing. They probably gave even less fucks what TNA was doing.

I have no idea how your post was a rebuttal to mine at all.

Stone Cold treated the title like shit as well.
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