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View Poll Results: Where does The Rock Rank?
The greatest ever 8 28.57%
One of the best, but not the best 19 67.86%
Nowhere close to the top guys 1 3.57%
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Old 04-29-2018, 12:23 AM
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Well you guys must have been reading my mind because today I actually was thinking about The Mount Rushmore of the WWE.

It came up because I watched the Bruno Sammartino documentary on the Network. If you haven't seen it, it's outstanding.

I would put The Rock on the WWE Mt Rushmore for performers, along with Bruno, Hogan, and Austin.

Rock just edges out John Cena. When I think of the Rock, I just think of the master of the catchphrase. Most guys have just one. Ric Flair may have had several, "space mountain," Learn to Love It it's the best thing going today, " Diamonds are forever, so are the 4horseman.

But the Rock and catchphrases went straight to merchandise. Can you smell, the Brama Bull, It doesn't matter, etc. I also believe when it came to delivering a promo, in which the audience hung onto every line, Rock mastered this. His promo's were sing along with the Rock.

The attitude era, starred SCSA and the Rock. Their trilogy went mainstream. Throw in the Rock's transition to Hollywood, becoming the 1st wrestler to stick in Hollywood, there are just too many first's associated with Rock not to say he is definitely in the top four, behind in my opinion Bruno, Hogan, Austin, in no particular order.

Last but not least I think HHH will be remembered more for his founding of NXT and the development area for WWE as that has extended the brand. However, John Cena is right on Rock's heels. He has had a great career and seems to be following the path of "The Great One."
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The ROCK is certainly the most successful and famous wrestler ever without question but is he the greatest of all time..
I dont think so..
When Hogan and Austin is there how can we call Rock the GOAT..Id put him second greatest with Flair Cand all those people..
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definitely one of the best ever but his accomplishments in Hollywood will overshadow anything that he did in wrestling. Even now some people still refer to him as the Rock but hes known as an actor first and foremost. That being said he was a great champion and one of the best talkers ever in the game.... Bottom line though he doesn't make it onto the Mt Rushmore of wrestling, even in his prime the era was still known as the Austin era; he was 1a to Austins 1.
Absolutely. Problem was he started transition more and more into films by the time Austin had retired.

Had he stayed on past Austin's retirement, he would have been in an era of Orton, Batista, Michaels, Edge, Jericho, Cena, Triple H, Taker, Benoit, Guerrero. I missing some big names of course - but there's no doubt in my mind The Rock would have been side by side with Cena as the 1 and 2 of that era.

I think as well had both Rock and Austin stayed on, for say 5 more years, i think Rock easily overtakes Austin as the day to day #1 and #2.
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Definitely one of the top wrestlers of all time but to say he is the greatest of all time is a stretch as his full time career was so short and for the majority of that time it did feel he was second to Austin, If he had of remained a full time wrestler all those years instead of leaving for Hollywood I think by now and especially with the lack of talent the past few years he would have been greatest of all time.
Could be the most successful wrestler of all time outside of wrestling though.
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Old 04-29-2018, 05:20 PM
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I have recently subscribed to the WWE Network and been watching a lot of stuff from the Attitude Era, and whilst it seemed for all of 1998 and most of 1999 the product revolved around Stone Cold, I got the impression watching all those years ago and then from watching again recently that The Rock was just as popular, perhaps even more so. Yet Stone Cold seems to get all the plaudits and The Rock is seen as second best. I remember reading that from the summer of 1999 Rock was selling more merchandise than anybody, including Austin.

So where does The Rock rank among the all time greats of Hogan, Flair, HBK, Brat Hart, Stone Cold? At the top, in the middle, or not even registering?
Well that's because Rock didn't truly reach Main Event level until the latter part of 1999. When Rock faced Austin at WM 15, Rock was still upper-midcard. The Mankind/Rock feud in early 1999 was designed to elevate Rock because he still needed help. 2000 was the year where Rock shined (as did HHH). Free from Russo booking and Austin being out, Rock got the ball and ran with it.

Austin was more popular than Rock and if his neck had not given out, Rock would have still been under him.

In WWE ranks, Hogan, Austin, Rock and Cena. Andre, HBK, Hart, Taker, HHH, etc. are all considered below them. Rock is firmly where he is.

Also, I'm sorry you are watching 1999. That was a horrible, Russo filled year. The shows are incredibly top heavy and featured such things as Beaver Cleavage, people screwing themselves out of scheduled title matches for literally no reason, tag teams fighting each other in matches where they can tag out but played up as they have no choice even though they did, Undertaker forgetting wrestling is fake and believing he really is The Undertaker and plenty of other fun stuff.
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I feel that while he was highly popular in his time and his charisma made him a megastar in Hollywood, he will always be looked at in history as the guy that was playing second fiddle to stone cold Steve Austin, kinda like macho man and ultimate warrior we're playing second fiddle to hulk Hogan in the late 80's. They're the guys that are highly popular but not as much as the top star in the company. The rock was that guy, he was widely popular but compare to Austin, he was just another guy on the roster.
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the Mt Rushmore of wrestling is Bruno, Hogan, Austin, Flair

Rock was great but he wasn't ESSENTIAL to the business like these four were.
Piss off with that territorial BS.

Bruno couldn't draw this side of Philly, Flair/Hogan was gradually losing so much interest in 92 that Vince changed his Mania plans.

They were ESSENTIAL to their territories, but couldn't draw in other states.

Dusty was a better national draw than Flair or Bruno.
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I feel that while he was highly popular in his time and his charisma made him a megastar in Hollywood, he will always be looked at in history as the guy that was playing second fiddle to stone cold Steve Austin, kinda like macho man and ultimate warrior we're playing second fiddle to hulk Hogan in the late 80's. They're the guys that are highly popular but not as much as the top star in the company. The rock was that guy, he was widely popular but compare to Austin, he was just another guy on the roster.
I would not agree with this. Rock was definitely less popular than Austin but Rock was leaps and bounds above a normal number two guy. Stepped in when Austin needed time off. Carried the torch and kept ratings up. Business actually kept going up when Austin was out and that can be partially attributed to Rock. I would not put Savage and Warrior in the same league as Rock. They are below him.

I get what you are saying about him but I feel it is demeaning him a bit.

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Flair/Hogan was gradually losing so much interest in 92 that Vince changed his Mania plans.
I've always felt this was more a consequence of Hogan leaving rather than inability to draw. They didn't want the NWA guy beating their guy. They didn't want Hogan to leave with the title. They would have been stuck.

I don't see how Hogan vs Sid and Savage vs Flair would have helped drawing power if Hogan vs Flair wasn't drawing.
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The Rock is the candle that burned twice as bring and half as long.

If you take into account his full time schedule- it was only really 1998 to early 2001 he was there as a bona fida superstar.
1996-97 he was booed to hell for his goody too shoes image. only to booed again from 2002-04 when wrestling fans felt he betrayed the industry for choosing Hollywood over wrestling. Then there was an absence of many many years and I wouldn't really factor his rare matches from 2013-14 which was a wave of nostalga.

Rock was red hot from 1998-2001 and just as hot as Hogan and Austin at his peak.
However the very top guy in WWE history is Hogan in my opinion.

Hogan, Bruno, Austin, Rock, Cena.
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Piss off with that territorial BS.

Bruno couldn't draw this side of Philly, Flair/Hogan was gradually losing so much interest in 92 that Vince changed his Mania plans.

They were ESSENTIAL to their territories, but couldn't draw in other states.

Dusty was a better national draw than Flair or Bruno.
regardless on your idiotic stance on territory guys fact is that WWE and wrestling today wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Bruno so yeah; he gets that 4th spot in the utmost legends echelon. Flair and especially Hogan changed the industry not only how its viewed in pop culture but how matches are booked and viewed as well. Say what you want but these four are the cornerstones of what the business is today.
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