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Old 02-05-2018, 10:46 AM
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Before any Bret marks fly off the handle, I am not sarcastically asking "What's so great about Bret Hart?". The question stems from the amount of views and replies that any Bret Hart post gets. Click on Old School Wrestling and scroll down...in general, posts get a few thousand views, unless it's about Bret. Then, you see 12, 15, 17 thousand views.

So, I am legitimately asking, what is the fascination with Bret Hart based on?

I'll start with my opinion.

I started watching wrestling in 1986 and I only watched WWF until 1995 or so...when the guys I grew up watching started showing up on that other channel. Until then, I knew of Flair, Luger, Road Warriors, the Steiners, etc., before they jumped ship to WWF, from their pictures in magazines, but I never watched NWA or anything but WWF. At the time I started watching, Bret was part of a heel Hart Foundation tag team and even though I rooted for the good guys, I liked Bret and was THRILLED when he and Anvil became faces. He had a very cool look and was fun to watch in the ring. I bought his shades and his tank top. (Granted, I am actually one of the people who bought a Hercules t-shirt, so take that for what it's worth. No offense to Herc, and I still think the shirt looks cool, but I doubt he was atop many merchandise sale charts.) Personally, I think terms like ring psychology and "telling a story" are horribly overused here, but Bret's matches really did make sense more than others. He would favor the body parts that his opponents worked on. He would play possum to gain the advantage. Even to a young kid, like me at the time, he was a smart wrestler with cool-looking moves. Not the high-flying spots done today, but he did moves most other guys at that time didn't do...or at least didn't do as well. Check out SummerSlam 89...that match with the Brain Busters is a perfect example. (Actually, I was in attendance for that one and, before signs were EVERYWHERE in the crowd, I had made a Hart Foundation sign that security didn't let me bring in. Fortunately, my dad put it up his pant leg and I didn't have to throw it out.) But, as much as I loved the friendly characters like Hillbilly Jim and Junkyard Dog, Bret was fun to watch in the ring.

While I was still a huge WWF fan, Bret won the IC title a couple of times and right at the end of my true fandom, he beat Flair for the big belt. The Hulkamania Era had ended at WrestleMania VIII, so I was coming to the end of my infatuation with the WWF at the time Bret was rising to prominence. It wasn't anything to do with Bret, it was just that most of the guys I grew up watching were leaving and I wasn't as interested in the New Generation stars. As my childhood faves started showing up in WCW, and the Monday Night Wars began, I came back to being a full-time fan, but nowhere near as into it as I used to be. BUT, I got a good look at Bret Hart and what he had become. His matches always seemed to be more interesting than the others.

This leads us into the Hart Foundation heel stable, his feud with Michaels and beyond, but I'll stop here because I wasn't watching nearly as much as most of you probably were.

So, what was it about Bret? What IS it about Bret that makes anything having to do with him such an attraction for those on this forum? It can't all be Screwjob-related. Is it because of his wonderfully-detailed biography? Did that look into the lives of so many wrestlers make people feel like they knew Bret in a way? Is it simply because he was so good in the ring? Is it because he seems to still be bitter about the product? Is it the "what ifs" concerning Bret leaving WWF, Owen's tragic accident and all that goes along with that?

I realize I wrote quite a bit here, but I was trying to show that I was a Bret fan and understand why people love, or loved, him. I'm not someone who hates him and is complaining about the attention he gets. I'm truly just wondering why, after all this time, any mention of him gets incredible amounts of attention. What are your reasons for reading Bret posts and not reading others as much?
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Old 02-05-2018, 11:24 AM
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I am not the biggest Bret Hart fan, but my take on why I enjoy him is he seems so smooth overall. His wrestling was smooth, his walk was smooth, it is just the way he carried himself. He owned the Best There Is the Best There Was and the Best There Ever Will Be very well. He was ready to lead RAW until the screw job happened (from what I have gathered) to the slightly more charsmatich HBK. Bret was enjoyable to watch, he knows the business very well and his aoura shows his excellence. He just lacked slightly in the charisma department but that doesn't take away his appeal. Plus, I think the screw job earned him some new fans as well after witnessing what happened to him.
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Old 02-05-2018, 11:46 AM
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To answer the question, he cuts across the generations who MOST of these forums are made up by.

In the mid 80's Bret was perhaps the closest WWF had to a "hearthrob" wrestler. He was good looking, had a cool look and wasn't like the other featured talents of the time, most of whom were monsters.

He perhaps over-exaggerates his claims of "more fanmail than Hogan" but he was probably getting quite a bit, and even I can remember him being one of the first characters I gravitated to, probably cos of a combo of the Hitman name and the glasses around 86 when I started watching properly. Most in my age bracket will have similar memories of him

Early 90's he took off as a singles and from the UK side always had that aura of your mates without Sky not believing you when you told them he'd beaten Flair...perhaps my first real "smark" moment. Of course I'd also been to Summerslam 92 so part of his mystique came from that match/experience too.

For people who started watching in the early 90's, he was there and prominent, for those who started around the time of the screwjob he'd have been the biggest name and for those who never saw him wrestle until he returned to the WWE of which some will be on here, he'll always be that guy they never saw in his prime...

Like it or not, Bret Hart is part of MOST of the biggest moments of the 90's and very early 2000's in some way or another, even the unfortunate ones like Owen's death. His career arguably "touched" people who "got into wrestling" over a 16 year period, which is covering a huge age range. Many of us are disappointed at his behaviour at times since, but still give the credit that Bret Hart played a big part in our fandom, even if he wasn't our fave.

For those who missed it, there is probably interest in how he became the bitter old guy that they read about and question if he was ever really that good. In truth, he has to have been or he wouldn't be so indelibly linked to the business's biggest moments.
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Old 02-05-2018, 11:51 AM
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I do think Montreal is a big part of why he gets talked about as much as he does. This was the 1st time we saw anything like that. It was the climax of 97 WWF which occurred in the perfect time of internet just starting but nothing like it is today with all sorts of backstage news being all over the place. As a result much of the audience at the time took a lot of what they saw at face value and the events of Montreal is what allowed the Vince/Austin angle to work so well in that one moment made Vince the biggest heel in the history of wrestling.

It really comes down to two things for me that make me believe Montreal is the biggest reason for the Bret Hart situation you described.

1) Fans not knowing what was real and what was a work making that situation the most polarizing moments in wrestling history.
2) It being the springboard for what would become one of the two biggest boom periods in WWF history in the Attitude Era.
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Bret was huge outside the US throughout his entire run. He's a big deal in Canada because seeing him wave the Maple Leaf in the faces of his opponents (when he turned heel against the US) was a huge source of national pride in Canada.

Once he got screwed, people felt sympathetic towards the guy who was so loyal to the company. My speculation is that a lot of people may have connected to Bret, seeing a guy like that get betrayed in real life like that. It's the same reason why people related to Austin so much - they hated their bosses and wished they could do what Austin did to their bosses/teachers/etc.

But from a pure wrestling side, I think you can truly appreciate the beauty of Hitman matches by reading about them later - Austin's commentary on his Mania match vs. Bret really shows the next level intelligence that Bret has. Or Undertaker saying his best matches were with Bret, and it allowed him to display a different side to his wrestling persona. Several wrestlers have echoed the same sentiments.
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He's old school but not to old school that people haven't heard of him like a Gorgeous George or Verne Gagne.

He's easily found on the Network which means people of all ages can watch his matches and then come here to talk about them.
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Bret Hart is one of the most, and arguably, the most polarizing figure in pro wrestling history. You are either on his side when it comes to the "Montreal' Screwjob" and the whole "Bret screwed Bret" argument or you are not. Either way we all have an opinion. The same goes for his beef with Shawn Michaels and Triple H. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair and list goes on and on. Eric Bischoff. Vince McMahon. Vince Russo. You either agree with him or think of him as a guy who blames others.

To me, Bret is one the most real and raw personalities. Sure, he has his biases and opinions and I don't agree with all of them but I know he's speaking the truth and what he actually believes unlike Hogan, Flair, or Shawn and HHH. He had no agenda. It is why I value his opinion. It comes from what he's seen and experienced in the wrestling business. It's not a canned answer meant to butter someone or bury someone and I think that's what rubs alot of people the wrong way. He has strong opinions and has the pedigree who back them up.

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He was a great wrestler and one of the best in the ring. But, as a kid, that was secondary Bret Hart was just awesome in his presentation. He wasn't a super hero or a larger than life character he was just cool. Nononsense slick and his Leather Jacket, Shades, Pink Attire, and long hair really made him look like the pro-wrestling's Fonzie
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Bret Hart is one of the most, and arguably, the most polarizing figure in pro wrestling history. You are either on his side when it comes to the "Montreal' Screwjob" and the whole "Bret screwed Bret" argument or you are not. Either way we all have an opinion. The same goes for his beef with Shawn Michaels and Triple H. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair and list goes on and on. Eric Bischoff. Vince McMahon. Vince Russo. You either agree with him or think of him as a guy who blames others.

To me, Bret is one the most real and raw personalities. Sure, he has his biases and opinions and I don't agree with all of them but I know he's speaking the truth and what he actually believes unlike Hogan, Flair, or Shawn and HHH. He had no agenda. It is why I value his opinion. It comes from what he's seen and experienced in the wrestling business. It's not a canned answer meant to butter someone or bury someone and I think that's what rubs alot of people the wrong way. He has strong opinions and has the pedigree who back them up.
He's also popped a few bubbles over the years, for example digging out Davey Boy in his book and being as open on his views of Triple H etc.

I think the other thing that makes people dislike him is that he has been "holier than thou" at times, yet in his book admitted being far from a role model when it came to his wife etc... Some people gained respect for his honesty, but it also puts a different veneer on that whole Wrestling With Shadows period, when you know he's boning anything in sight (including Sunny most likely) while his wife seems pretty oblivious.

That in itself is something that a lot of people will remember him for too... he was the first guy to do a "reality" thing in Wrestling, to let you backstage to see the WWF and how it worked with that film. Even with Vince's involvement, you could tell he was never 100% comfortable. It was the first time the myths of things like The Hart get togethers, all the cats and The Dungeon actually got shown, before Bret let those cameras in and forced them into his deal, those type of tales all stayed in the business as urban legends. Would the screwjob have happened without that movie? Would it be as legendary or would Vince have made the Mr. McMahon thing work so well? probably not - we all saw him after he got knocked out, we all saw the aftermath... either Bret was very clever at the time or very unfortunate that Vince was the one to prosper from it.

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That in itself is something that a lot of people will remember him for too... he was the first guy to do a "reality" thing in Wrestling, to let you backstage to see the WWF and how it worked with that film. Even with Vince's involvement, you could tell he was never 100% comfortable. It was the first time the myths of things like The Hart get togethers, all the cats and The Dungeon actually got shown, before Bret let those cameras in and forced them into his deal, those type of tales all stayed in the business as urban legends. Would the screwjob have happened without that movie? Would it be as legendary or would Vince have made the Mr. McMahon thing work so well? probably not - we all saw him after he got knocked out, we all saw the aftermath... either Bret was very clever at the time or very unfortunate that Vince was the one to prosper from it.
But even with all that, the documentaries, the books, the interviews, there are still the "myths" out there about Bret. The decision not to drop the title to Shawn, the whole "Screwjob" set up, the decision to go back to the WWE in 2006 and later in 2012. It seems like every move he makes or every opinion he has is dissected like no other. People are always looking for an ulterior motive or some "shade" that is thrown at the direction of someone.
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