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Old 01-24-2016, 12:09 PM
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Everything we've read indicates that TNA's new deal with POP, along with an influx of capital coming from renewed international deals and TNA's SonySix contract have given them a wealth of money to play with. It's why they went free agent shopping like this to begin with. It's also why, as is being reported, they are signing talents to guaranteed contracts again.

Oh, and Angle's deal is about to expire as well. A reportedly huge figure.

So sorry to be "that guy" again, but can we please just fucking stop pretending to know what TNA can or can't afford? Please?

TNA doesn't look good here. This screams of sour grapes. But it's not unreasonable to presume their finances are back in order, so to speak, and that they have enough money to make fair offers to talents.

Whether those talents accept those offers or view TNA as a regression or as a bridge-burning stop... I have no idea. But it's absurd to continue with this tired trope that "TNA can't pay" because they almost certainly can.
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But it's absurd to continue with this tired trope that "TNA can't pay" because they almost certainly can.
You know, i wonder if that was what Vince thought back when Bischoff took over WCW because it was a similar situation - they had their own talent but guys like Flair had left for various reason, usually booking and money. But when the time came, Turner has no issue spending money to get top guys to give WWF some real competition. Regardless of what TNA's financials are, they are still owned by a much larger company so while Panda may not want to give them extra money for guys are not top names, I don't see if being much of an issue if it was to get someone like AJ Styles back seeing how well he has been doing since leaving TNA. Storm is a perfect example as he was going to be in NXT until the truth came out that TNA gave him a much better offer so obviously TNA has some funds.

Honestly, I am not sure what TNA was thinking when they released that statement other than they thought it showed they were big leagues too. If they had some sort of understanding, then take them to court over it and block them from appearing in wwe. Otherwise, you gain nothing by acting like a 6 year old complaining because your friend said he was coming to play and then went to play somewhere else. But it could be worse - at least we won't get a fake AJ Styles appearing in TNA.
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Panda Energy has nothing to do TNA. They operate on separate wavelengths. Rayne can give you a better breakdown of that than I can, so if he's up for typing it out again, I'll defer to him.

TNA has funds because they just signed a new national television deal with POP, renewed multiple international deals and are reportedly being paid quite a bit of money through their SonySix deal in India. When you also factor in the bigger names that have left, that's arguably also more money they're now able to spend elsewhere.
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Panda Energy has nothing to do TNA. They operate on separate wavelengths. Rayne can give you a better breakdown of that than I can, so if he's up for typing it out again, I'll defer to him.
I'll take your throw, and hopefully work towards ending this whole "Panda Energy's Bank Account" obsession.

Once upon a time, there was a man who was the majority owner of an energy conglomorate called "Panda Energy". He had a daughter, who though having many faults, did have an interest in professional wrestling, during a phase where there was an opening for an alternative to the WWE product, which had recently finished swallowing its only competition. (And as a result the WWE was having some pretty horrible indigestion.) So this man gave his daughter a sum of money to purchase and operate a professional wrestling company called "TNA". This was done with TNA as a division of Panda Energy, causing many people to ask why a company that built power plants and little else would become interested in professional wrestling.

TNA continued to grow, yet had trouble crossing the profitability threshold. While their revenue continued to increase as the company grew larger, their expenses increased at a quicker pace. Then, one day in January 2009, the company stopped growing, but expenses kept building. The man that was the majority owner of Panda Energy was placed in the awkward position of explaining to his co-owners why he was spending their money on a money-losing professional wrestling promotion, when they had invested their money in power plants.

So TNA was split from Panda Energy. At the time, it was viewed as a classic case of a larger company splitting a failing division so that it could die without impacting their financials. This had an immediate and drastic effect on TNA, as they now had to keep revenue and expenses in a strict relationship to each other.

But a funny thing happened. TNA did what few people expected, and rebuilt themselves around their changed financial situation. Shit got real for a couple of years; they weren't able to retain some of their most valuable talents. But this was a couple of years ago. Panda Energy no longer needs to be feeding TNA money, because TNA has rebuilt itself into a company which isn't spending more than it can afford to invest. Their revenue is lower, but their expenses are much lower as well.

AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, it's difficult to get a clear picture on TNA's financial status; their free agent shopping spree could either be read as a major investment to rebuild their ratings on a new network, or as using capital acquired as a result of their contract with POP. What it does indicate is that TNA does have money available to spend on free-agent signings.

Which brings us around to AJ Styles. Undoubtedly, the WWE offered AJ more money than TNA would. This is not a "TNA can't afford it" statement; it's a "how much is AJ worth?" statement. To the WWE, AJ Styles (at this moment in time) is a huge pickup; he's coming off of a big run in Japan at the same time the WWE is trying to launch their Network over there. To TNA, they pick up AJ for sentimental reasons. AJ's a very talented performer, but he's not a guy who's going to make 50,000 people every week ask why they aren't getting POP on their cable network.

There comes a point where you have to say "would spending all this money on one guy be worth it, brother?" To TNA, I'm sure the sentimental value of his return would be worth quite a bit, but it's not worth getting into a bidding war with the WWE over- especially when TNA doesn't have this magical pot of unlimited money which some people think they do.

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Old 01-25-2016, 08:21 AM
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...and that, folks, is as they say, 'the ball game'.

So I'll now ask that the "just ask Panda for money" argument follow the same path off the same logical cliff that "TNA has no money" fell over and died.

Maybe now we can have reasonable discussions without resorting to tired tropes we can't prove are actually true.

And I agree, Rayne, with your assessment of Styles. It makes all the sense in the world for WWE to see major value in him at this particular time — value I don't think you could argue logically (as opposed to nostalgically or sentimentally) is true for TNA.

I just hope for AJ's sake he sees more success than any other TNA star ever has when jumping ship to WWE, because the history there is about as bright as that indigestion you referred to for WCW's big guys. Long walk, short bridge.
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If Panda Energy decided to split away from TNA in January 2009, how did they mange to get Hogan, and Bischoff a year later? Unless I misread something in the post.

On a side note, Styles may have gotten a good reaction in Orlando where Impact was taped for many years, but what happens when he goes outside of Florida? Is Vince going to pull the plug when all the E marks start sitting on their hands when he comes out?
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Considering, from what I understand, Vince doesn't pull the plug when guys like Roman Reigns get booed mercilessly by hot crowds all over the nation, I doubt it. Or Cena, for the matter. Or any other polarizing figure put into a position of success because the shot-callers want them to succeed.

I think you're dramatically underestimating the impact AJ Styles has as a pro wrestler today, and probably aren't taking into account the intelligence, by and large, of WWE's audience. I know the general saying is that they are "casual fans", but every other week I'm reading an article or watching a quick clip on YouTube that says otherwise. Surely they're not all taped from Orlando?
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If Panda Energy decided to split away from TNA in January 2009, how did they mange to get Hogan, and Bischoff a year later? Unless I misread something in the post.
The split occurred in 2013, possibly early 2014. I also forgot that Hogan and Bischoff joined in 2010, because I am old and shit blends together after a while.
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I see TNA going to court against wwe cause an agreement whether written or verbal has grounds and if they had agreed verbally they cannot change their minds ! Its like getting an apt without a lease and agreeing to pay every month until the next month you change your mind and say I won t pay anymore does not cut it! TNA should win over this
This is what I forsee happening also. I would love to see TNA give the finger to Vince. But in reality, AJ is old and washed up. I would rather see up and comers like Matt Taven, Kyle O'Reilly, and Adam Cole signed instead. Heck throw Bobby Fish in there too, he's older but would be a great addition to the roster.
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But in reality, AJ is old and washed up. I would rather see up and comers like Matt Taven, Kyle O'Reilly, and Adam Cole signed instead. Heck throw Bobby Fish in there too, he's older but would be a great addition to the roster.
I think you ruined that post with saying that AJ Syles is old & washed up, they guy might have a lingering back injury but he can still go and put on great matches, not to mention he's younger than Tyrus, Abyss, Matt Hardy etc.

TNA's biggest mistake has been them taking too long to try and get AJ Styles back.

They should now concentrate on trying to sign Jay Lethal.
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