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Old 05-26-2017, 12:43 AM
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So, yesterday I was going through Wrestlemania XXX LD here. And apart from Daniel Bryan and Brock Lesnar, the most talked about was Cesaro. If you have forgotten what happened regarding Cesaro at Wrestlemania XXX, here's a reminder:

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And what actually happened was that Cesaro body slammed Big Show out of the ring to win the inaugral Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal. And just see the live audience cheering him while almost all stood up when Cesaro won the match.

I saw people saying that a star was born. That he would be a World Champion in that year itself. Fast forward to now and he's in a tag team with Sheamus. He hasn't even won a midcard singles title after more than 3 years of that incredible moment.

So what went wrong with Cesaro and who was responsible for it? I think that it was the alliance with Paul Heyman. And more importantly the heel turn.
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:29 AM
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I like Cesaro in the role he is in and enjoy the team with Sheamus. He's in a position a lot of people would be in.

That said, I agree, I think it was the heel turn and don't know why they decided to take a guy who was over as a face and put him with Heyman. I know *why*, in the sense that they don't rate him on the mic, but surely there as another way to deal with that than the way they did. I'm not sure he'd have been world champ as a face either, though.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:34 AM
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Slamming Big Show is not a big deal anymore. Other than that I don't find him impressive. I haven't seen a lot of his work on the indy circuit but doesn't Wikipedia list him as a tag team player for the most part.

What went wrong? I don't see him as a major player. He's good and all that but he doesn't strike me as a top guy or even one of the top guys. He doesn't have the IT factor and the internet has to get over it.
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Old 05-26-2017, 08:42 AM
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Cesaro was always better as a tag team wrestler. Take a look at his history. Most of his accolades were in a team. I, for one, cannot wait for Chris Hero, er, Kassius Ohno, to get called up for a reunion of a team that was better that Cesaro/Sheamus.
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Old 05-26-2017, 08:54 AM
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Slamming Big Show is not a big deal anymore. Other than that I don't find him impressive. I haven't seen a lot of his work on the indy circuit but doesn't Wikipedia list him as a tag team player for the most part.

What went wrong? I don't see him as a major player. He's good and all that but he doesn't strike me as a top guy or even one of the top guys. He doesn't have the IT factor and the internet has to get over it.
Telling people to get over it, ain't gonna help your case. People see the potential in Cesaro because he's damn good in the ring, his freakish strength, he looks like a star, he wrestles like a star, but the company doesn't want him to be a star. "He doesn't have the IT factor", the only thing Cesaro doesn't have is good mic skills. He had Paul Heyman on his side, but it was just an excuse to brag about streak. Had they use Heyman as a true mouthpiece for Cesaro, mic skills wouldn't become a hindrance for Cesaro.
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What should've happened.....

Real American should've won the tag titles

Cesaro shows as the dominant force of the team as Swagger looks weak at times. Swagger attacks Cesaro at a PPV as the drop the gold back to the Uso's. Cesaro face turn.

He squashes Swagger in a short 2 month feud

Progresses on to win MITB and beats Cena at a major PPV for the Title

Star is born.
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Old 05-26-2017, 01:26 PM
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I saw people saying that a star was born. That he would be a World Champion in that year itself. Fast forward to now and he's in a tag team with Sheamus. He hasn't even won a midcard singles title after more than 3 years of that incredible moment.
You saw smarks. They tend to over-hype for something that isnt very sustainable in reality. Like fan favorite winning trophy in a match that solely exist to gather around wrestlers that dont have a match at Wrestlemania. And they make a big deal out of something not that big and say things like "He is World Champion to the end of the year, mark my words this is only the beginning".

In reality he was never that counted upon. WWE never really had concrete plan what to do with him, Vince dubbed him as someone unable to "rise and grab ring made of brass" and as "injury prone". So they never really pulled the lever on his push. Which is shame, Cesaro was over and in dire need of at least midcard title push.
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You saw smarks. They tend to over-hype for something that isnt very sustainable in reality. Like fan favorite winning trophy in a match that solely exist to gather around wrestlers that dont have a match at Wrestlemania. And they make a big deal out of something not that big and say things like "He is World Champion to the end of the year, mark my words this is only the beginning".

In reality he was never that counted upon. WWE never really had concrete plan what to do with him, Vince dubbed him as someone unable to "rise and grab ring made of brass" and as "injury prone". So they never really pulled the lever on his push. Which is shame, Cesaro was over and in dire need of at least midcard title push.
Either you wasn't paying attention that year or you forgot but Cesaro was INDEED one of the top priorities to get pushed in 2014 along with Roman Reigns, Big E. Langston, Bray Wyatt, and Bad News Barrett. Only thing that stopped his push initally was Bryan getting injured. In case, you don't remember Cesaro was initally booked to win the Money In The Bank briefcase, where he would have then cashed in on Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam to win the WWE Championship following Brock defeating Bryan for the title, then he would've beaten him in a rematch at Night Of Champions sending Brock off TV until WrestleMania 31 where Brock would've had his final match and left the company. What stopped that was Bryan got injured and WWE needed to act quick and changed plans to a MITB Match for the WWE Championship and wasn't initially planning on a Ladder Match and Cesaro was announced as one of the names in it already before the actual briefcase match was announced. Plans changed to Seth winning the briefcase because Cesaro was already announced for the other match. WWE didn't want Cesaro to win the title in the MITB Match because they felt it would have cheapened his eventual moment.

Following Money In The Bank 2014, Cesaro was put on the backburner and was still in lined for an eventual push up until he was failing to connect in the following months and plans for his push was scrapped. Cesaro was originally planned to drop the title either to The Rock or back to Brock Lesnar at Royal Rumble. It was never said who Cesaro would have faced at WrestleMania 31 the next year but I remember the exact details from all the reports that was reported that year and how things played out.
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So, yesterday I was going through Wrestlemania XXX LD here. And apart from Daniel Bryan and Brock Lesnar, the most talked about was Cesaro. If you have forgotten what happened regarding Cesaro at Wrestlemania XXX, here's a reminder:

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And what actually happened was that Cesaro body slammed Big Show out of the ring to win the inaugral Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal. And just see the live audience cheering him while almost all stood up when Cesaro won the match.

I saw people saying that a star was born. That he would be a World Champion in that year itself. Fast forward to now and he's in a tag team with Sheamus. He hasn't even won a midcard singles title after more than 3 years of that incredible moment.

So what went wrong with Cesaro and who was responsible for it? I think that it was the alliance with Paul Heyman. And more importantly the heel turn.
When I first heard the hype about Cesaro, I didn't see it.

I tipped Big Show to win the inaugural "Andre The Giant" Battle Royal (as I reasoned it would be used as a spinboard for Show to brag how he is the most dominant giant in WWE history, even more than Andre The Giant himself).

However, when Cesaro eliminated Show from the battle royal, and won, the reaction from the crowd made me think that they would turn him babyface and push him (this was when I naively believed that winning the Andre battle royal earnt you something).

I can see it. The next night, Cesaro would come out to rousing cheers on RAW. He would speak about winning the royal, and his journey, when Big Show came out and said that it was a fluke. They would then feud, and Cesaro would beat Big Show again, much to Show's dismay, and Cesaro would be seen as a "Giant-Killer", and be massively over.

No, instead they had him join Paul Heyman. Now, this made sense from the viewpoint that Heyman can help those who aren't great on the mike (which Cesaro isn't, but he has gotten better since his teaming with Sheamus). It also got fans excited that there could be a possible Cesaro v Brock Lesnar feud in the offing, since they are both Paul Heyman guys.

But instead, it just blunted Cesaro's momentum. I spoke about this, along with other stymied pushes of fan favourites, in another thread of mine.

But don't be too sad. I think his tag-team with Sheamus has been good, has given both guys airtime and importance, and reminds me of the "Hell No" pairing of Daniel Bryan and Kane (two reluctant superstars who can't stand each other at first, but then form a team and become allies). They have a high-profile feud with the Hardys and the belts, so I think Cesaro, even though he isn't in the main title picture, is still doing okay at the moment.
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Either you wasn't paying attention that year or you forgot but Cesaro was INDEED one of the top priorities to get pushed in 2014 along with Roman Reigns, Big E. Langston, Bray Wyatt, and Bad News Barrett. Only thing that stopped his push initally was Bryan getting injured. In case, you don't remember Cesaro was initally booked to win the Money In The Bank briefcase, where he would have then cashed in on Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam to win the WWE Championship following Brock defeating Bryan for the title, then he would've beaten him in a rematch at Night Of Champions sending Brock off TV until WrestleMania 31 where Brock would've had his final match and left the company. What stopped that was Bryan got injured and WWE needed to act quick and changed plans to a MITB Match for the WWE Championship and wasn't initially planning on a Ladder Match and Cesaro was announced as one of the names in it already before the actual briefcase match was announced. Plans changed to Seth winning the briefcase because Cesaro was already announced for the other match. WWE didn't want Cesaro to win the title in the MITB Match because they felt it would have cheapened his eventual moment.

Following Money In The Bank 2014, Cesaro was put on the backburner and was still in lined for an eventual push up until he was failing to connect in the following months and plans for his push was scrapped. Cesaro was originally planned to drop the title either to The Rock or back to Brock Lesnar at Royal Rumble. It was never said who Cesaro would have faced at WrestleMania 31 the next year but I remember the exact details from all the reports that was reported that year and how things played out.
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You saw smarks. They tend to over-hype for something that isnt very sustainable in reality. Like fan favorite winning trophy in a match that solely exist to gather around wrestlers that dont have a match at Wrestlemania. And they make a big deal out of something not that big and say things like "He is World Champion to the end of the year, mark my words this is only the beginning".

In reality he was never that counted upon. WWE never really had concrete plan what to do with him, Vince dubbed him as someone unable to "rise and grab ring made of brass" and as "injury prone". So they never really pulled the lever on his push. Which is shame, Cesaro was over and in dire need of at least midcard title push.
Dont know if you can see where am I going? Or if you did just felt, I dunno, called out?

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On the post-WrestleMania Raw on April 7, Hogan endrosed Cesaro's WrestleMania victory. Cesaro proceeded to dump Colter as his manager, instead revealing that he was a Paul Heyman guy.[175] After Cesaro was eliminated by Rob Van Dam from a tournament for an Intercontinental Championship title shot,[176] he defeated Van Dam and Swagger in an elimination match at Extreme Rules in May.[177] Cesaro had a series of matches against United States Champion Sheamus, but failed to win the title at Payback in June.[178] Cesaro then defeated Van Dam to qualify for the Money in the Bank ladder match for the vacant WWE World Heavyweight Championship,[179] which was won by John Cena.[180] After that, Cesaro went on to lose to likes of Kofi Kingston and Big E in singles matches,[181][182] while also being eliminated by Heath Slater in a battle royal for the Intercontinental Championship at Battleground in July.[183] On the July 21 Raw, Cesaro ended his partnership with Paul Heyman.[184] In July 2014, WWE.com noted that one of Cesaro's signature moves, the Cesaro Swing, was "now a rarely used attraction" after previously being "a daily maneuver";[185] also that month, it was reported that WWE officials had told Cesaro to stop using the Cesaro Swing because it was making him too popular, and they did not want him being cheered as a heel.[186]
Does any of this sounds like somebody who would be pushed to the moon? Or just somebody who WWE dont know what to do? But they did not really planned anything with him. I mean, just take a look at that last statement in quoted post. Does that even sounds like somebody they used properly? Not slamming the guy, actually like him and would love to see him at least with some US title. But be real, in reality they never really pushed him for real. Weather its because he isnt by "WWE standard" or dubbed as "injury prone" I dont really know. But fact remains he wasnt counted as serious competitor.
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