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Old 04-29-2017, 11:35 AM
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Even though Warrior was a much weaker than anticipated champion in 1990, Hogan had to drop the belt to him, because he took time off to film his action flick- Subberban Commando.

Much like when Rick Steamboat had to take time off as IC champion, dropping it to Honky ... if one of his champs couldn't defend the title, Vince would put the belt on someone who could
Hogan was given considerable leeway with time off, he usually only a did a few weekend shows per month at most, and routinely went over 40 days without a single match.

Warrior was RED HOT, personally outside of Hulka-Mania at it'peak, I cant think of anything approaching the frenzy of Warrior's popularity at it's peak, Im not even sure Austin topped it (although like Hogan, Austin maintained that level for an extended period, Warrior peaked and fell quickly).
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:12 AM
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I'll always think it should have been Savage to beat Hogan at Starccade 96. They seemed to want to build it up as Savage was even more over than Sting at the time and it was Savage who Hogan turned on. But I guess Savage and WCW had some dispute and ended up being a horrible match at Halloween Havoc with Hogan cheating to win.

The Warrior loss at WM6 didn't both me so much. Hogan was due to lose anyway.

Sting Starccade 97 should have been clean.
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Old 06-07-2017, 03:10 PM
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I see some people saying that Hogan shouldn't have lost to Piper at Starcade 96, but I disagree with that wholeheartedly. That loss to Piper made Piper a 'made man' from that point on in WCW. It was the right thing to do.

Everyone's already pointed out the whole Sting mess at Starcade 97. What a way to flush a years worth of build up down the shitter. Just because you didn't want to be beaten clean. That whole thing stunk to high heaven and it wasn't just Hogan. Nick Patrick fucked up the count. Remember it was supposed to be a fast count but it wasn't fast at all. That whole thing just pisses me off when I think about it.

I don't even want to talk about the Finger Poke of Doom. Fuck you Nash and Hogan. It's you're faults that WCW folded.

Hogan shouldn't have beaten Jarrett at Halloween Havoc that one time. You know the one where Hogan refused to lose so Jarrett just got in the ring and laid down for him. That shouldn't have happened. Again, Hogan was the bullet in the gun that shot WCW in the head.

Hogan should have never beaten Trips for the Undisputed title in 2002. I understand that he was insanely over, but come the fuck on. I won't complain too much about that one though because he dropped the title to 'Taker a month later, so...... 'Taker and Trips, though, would've been a much better match for the title though.

Last but certainly not least, Hogan should have never won his last two matches against HBK and Orton. I know that HBK didn't need the victory, however, he would've done a lot more with it than Hogan did. Orton, on the other hand, did need the victory. He was still reeling from having been buried by Trips and he needed all the help and push he could've gotten. Orton needed and should've won that match up.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:42 AM
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I see some people saying that Hogan shouldn't have lost to Piper at Starcade 96, but I disagree with that wholeheartedly. That loss to Piper made Piper a 'made man' from that point on in WCW. It was the right thing to do.

Everyone's already pointed out the whole Sting mess at Starcade 97. What a way to flush a years worth of build up down the shitter. Just because you didn't want to be beaten clean. That whole thing stunk to high heaven and it wasn't just Hogan. Nick Patrick fucked up the count. Remember it was supposed to be a fast count but it wasn't fast at all. That whole thing just pisses me off when I think about it.

I don't even want to talk about the Finger Poke of Doom. Fuck you Nash and Hogan. It's you're faults that WCW folded.

Hogan shouldn't have beaten Jarrett at Halloween Havoc that one time. You know the one where Hogan refused to lose so Jarrett just got in the ring and laid down for him. That shouldn't have happened. Again, Hogan was the bullet in the gun that shot WCW in the head.

Hogan should have never beaten Trips for the Undisputed title in 2002. I understand that he was insanely over, but come the fuck on. I won't complain too much about that one though because he dropped the title to 'Taker a month later, so...... 'Taker and Trips, though, would've been a much better match for the title though.

Last but certainly not least, Hogan should have never won his last two matches against HBK and Orton. I know that HBK didn't need the victory, however, he would've done a lot more with it than Hogan did. Orton, on the other hand, did need the victory. He was still reeling from having been buried by Trips and he needed all the help and push he could've gotten. Orton needed and should've won that match up.
The Jarrett thing was at bash at the beach 2000, Halloween havoc 99
Had hogan just lay down for sting.... Never understood why.
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Without looking at it from a hindsight perspective, and judging it solely on the events and circumstances going into the match and what at that time was known to occur after the math I offer the following:

WrestleMania VIII vs Sid Justice:

Sid had signed with WWE almost a year earlier and was instantly thrust into the main event picture with his involvement in the Hogan/Warrior vs Slaughter and cronies match at SummerSlam 91. He would be on the self for most of the 2nd half of 91 but upon his return he was right back on top as evident by his standing in the Rumble and his series of tag matches with Hogan vs Flair and Taker in early 92. Of course this all set up the Sid/Hogan match when WWE backed away from the Flair/Hogan match. Now going into the match WWE knew Hogan would be gone for quite some time and if I remember correctly their was some uncertainty surrounding weather this would be his last match (both in story and in reality). Now we know Sid would be gone shortly after Mania too but I don't believe this was something that WWE knew prior to Mania.

As long as that was the case then it would have made more sense to have Sid beat Hogan (doesn't necessarily have to be clean) followed by the post match attack that we got but have the heels inflict more damage before Warrior runs out to sell Hogan being out. This still sets up Warrior vs Shango while Sid gets to defend the title and be built up as your top heel to ultimately set up a match with Warrior.
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Old 06-12-2017, 12:23 PM
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Well you must remember Sid has asked for his release prior to WrestleMania....so I think Vince was reluctant to have Sid go over Hogan then jump to WCW. In the grand scheme of things, yes it would've made sense for Sid to go over. Sid was staying, Hogan taking a leave of absence. But the reality is, Sid was unreliable. It's too bad because Sid could've had a run similar to "Taker's.
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:45 AM
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Except that Hogan outweighed Rude by a 100 pounds lol. I personally liked the angle with Slaughter. It was one of the greatest heel turns of all time and brought out raw emotion from fans. Too bad it didn't happen closer to Slaughter's prime. By 1990, his best days were done.
I wonder what if Slaughter went over Hogan at WM7 and Warrior vs. Savage goes on last.

Slaughter going over Hogan would give Slaughter enough heat for a few months as Hogan chases the title perhaps until Summer Slam.

I can see it now Slaughter beating Hogan and covering him over the Iraqi flag.

And Warrior / Savage, the way it actually happened, would have been an epic way to close the show.
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This is a good question:

Hulk Hogan had NO business losing, by pinfall, to Jacques Rougeau in Canada.
Hulk Hogan had NO business losing, by pinfall and on TV, to Arn Anderson.
Hogan should not have lost his match with Flair at Uncensored 99.
Hogan should have lost clean to Sting at Starcade.
Hogan should have lost, clean, to Randy Savage the Nitro after Spring Stampedie 98.
Hogan should NOT have lost to Roddy Piper at Starrcade 97.
Hogan lost to Rougeau in a non-televised favour to Rougeau who at the time was retiring, and he offered to do the job. Hogan had alot of respect for the family, and added to the night as nobody believed the current WCW Champion would put over Jacques that night, clean.
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Old 06-26-2017, 12:23 AM
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HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN should have never lost to The Rock at No Way Out 2003. I understandwhy he lost at WrestleMania (even though I wanted to see him win and was one of the millions and millions of Hulkamaniacs cheering him on that night) after all, The Rock was their nee top face and no one knew at the time that he would soon leave for a career in film. But by No Way Out The Rock was only an occasional performer and had no business going over.
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Undertaker dropped the title to Hogan on a special show that was promoted like a week or so in advance. This Tuesday in Texas was built up just a little bit more than a house show, but nowhere near the levels of Summerslam or I'd argue an In Your House event. It wasn't all that great, except maybe a killer promo or two between Jake "The Snake" Roberts and Randy Savage. Going into the main event, it was established that Jack Tunney would be sitting at ringside to make sure no shenanigans would take place in the championship match.

It still had interference (Flair) and a dirty win for Hogan.

Tunney stripped Hulk of the belt later and put it on the line in the Rumble, making Hogan pinning Taker sort of silly in hindsight. Why not just have Taker cheat, knocking Hogan out with the urn or something? Tunney would see it and vacating the title would still go according to plan, but now Hogan doesn't look like an asshole for cheating. Both wrestlers would have saved some face at what was really a forgettable event.
How much of that was hogan moaning and politicking? In the modern era they would have waited a month.
Absolutely NONE of it was due to politics. The entire purpose of That PPV (heck the only reason Undertaker even won the title at the time) was to have those two screw job finishes so that Tunny would vacate the title and put it up for grabs in the Royal Rumblef or Flair to win it. The long term plan was to make Flair champion by WrestleMania so that HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN could defeat him for the title at WrestleMania. Only the steroid case prevented that outcome.

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The Jarrett thing was at bash at the beach 2000, Halloween havoc 99
Had hogan just lay down for sting.... Never understood why.
That's Vince Russo booking for you. The absolute worst individual in the history of the sport. He has no idea what makes the wrestling business work. Nor does he try. All he is interested in a shock value TV. And he doesn't even do that well as is evident by the number of angles he recycles.
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