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Default Wrestlemania 32: A Retrospective Look

Three years ago I ran a thread series on the first 29 Wrestlemania events to look back on each as we headed into Wrestlemania 30. Now that some time has passed I would like to bring it back for the Wrestlemania events that have taken place since then. During this month I will post one topic per week until we have covered Wrestlemania 30, 31, and 32. With Wrestlemania 33 upon us this will be the last of these threads for a while. So, let's start.

In this thread we will be discussing.... Wrestlemania 32!




Wrestlemania 32 took place on April 3, 2016 at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas. There were 101,763 in attendance and I was one of them! Here are the results from the matches at this show:




0. Kalisto (c) defeated Ryback in a Singles match for the United States Championship. [8:58]

0. Team Total Divas (Brie Bella, Paige, Natalya, Alicia Fox, and Eva Marie) defeated Team B.A.D. and Blonde (Lana, Naomi, Tamina, Emma, and Summer Rae) in a 10 Diva Tag Team match. [11:25]

0. The Usos defeated The Dudley Boyz in a Tag Team match. [5:18]

1. Zack Ryder defeated Kevin Owens (c), Sami Zayn, Dolph Ziggler, Stardust, The Miz, and Sin Cara in a Ladder match for the Intercontinental Championship. [15:23]

2. Chris Jericho defeated AJ Styles in a singles match. [17:10]

3. The League of Nations (Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, and Rusev) (with King Barrett) defeated The New Day (Big E, Kofi Kingston, and Xavier Woods) in a 6 Man Tag Team match. [10:03]

4. Brock Lesnar (with Paul Heyman) defeated Dean Ambrose in a No Holds Barred Street Fight. [13:06]

5. Charlotte (with Ric Flair) defeated Becky Lynch and Sasha Banks in a Triple Threat match for the Women's Championship. [16:03]

6. The Undertaker defeated Shane McMahon in a Hell In a Cell match. [30:05]

7. Baron Corbin won the Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal. [9:41]

8. The Rock defeated Erick Rowan (with Bray Wyatt and Braun Strowman) in a singles match. [0:06]

9. Roman Reigns defeated Triple H (c) (with Stephanie McMahon) in a singles match for the World Heavyweight Championship. [27:11]




Now, here are some discussion questions concerning the event:


What was your favorite match on this show, and why did you like it the most? What about the worst match of this show, why did you like it the least?

If you could change anything about Wrestlemania 32, what thing(s) would you change and why?

You may only use wrestlers who were available at the roster at that time or make changes that could have realistically taken place in April 2016. Please keep in mind the situations going into the show such as who could actually have been pushed into a title match, or what songs existed back then if you wanted to change the show's theme music, and so forth.

You may only discuss Wrestlemania 32 in this thread. Any posts regarding other events but do not address Wrestlemania 32 will be considered spam and you risk getting an infraction.


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Old 03-31-2017, 01:34 AM
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I'd love to know how long that snooze fest of the Rock segment lasted.
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This Wrestlemania really had so much potential to create something special, but ultimately, fell kinda flat (At least, in my opinion).

Here is how I would've booked it.

1. Rusev (c) vs Ryback vs Kalisto for the US title. Have Kalisto "overcome the odds" to become US champ.

2. Jericho vs Styles - Keep it as it was. MAYBE have Styles go over, but not necessary.

3. New Day (c) vs The Dudleys vs The Uso's vs League of Nations (Del Rio and Sheamus) in a fatal four way elimination tag match for the tag straps. With the New Day going over after Barrett runs in to help the LON but ends up screwing up.

4. Charlotte vs Sasha Banks vs Becky Lynch for the Women's title. Charlotte takes this, nothing changes.

This is where things get interesting...

5. Brock Lesnar vs Randy Orton - No holds Barred. Move up Summerslam's match by about 5 months and have it at Mania. I know Orton was injured, but let's go along with it. Lesnar wins this after an ABSOLUTE war.

6. Kevin Owens (c) vs Sami Zayn - Ladder Match for the IC title. Owens retains in a 5 star classic.

7. Undertaker vs Bray Wyatt. This is where the streak ends. Wyatt with the win, no outside interference, then, the family proceeds to drag taker to the back, giving off the idea that he is to be sacrificed to sister abigail. Taker is off TV til next Mania season.

8. Cue The intermission show with whatever flavour of the month the WWE want performing at mania.

9. HHH with Vince and Stephanie McMahon vs The Rock with Shane McMahon for control of Monday Night Raw. HHH goes over (So hard for me to type that). Absolute barn burner, sees the usual McMahon family shenanigans that were reminiscent of WWE circa 2000.

10. Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royale. Corbin wins, nothing different.

And finally... The WWE World title Match. A match 3 years in the making, never before, never again....

11. Seth Rollins (c) vs Dean Ambrose vs Roman Reigns for the WWE title. Assume that Seth isn't injured and holds the strap for one year. Assume that they didn't fight at battleground. Here, any of the three can go over. You can have the surprise winner in Dean, have Reigns get his moment or have Rollins win and go on to beat punk's title reign.

I'd go with Rollins winning via pedigree to Dean. Let him hold the title until Summerslam and then have Reigns or whoever win it from him, thus beating Punk's reign and really establishing Rollins as the top dog. Again, all of this is for nothing if Seth can't stay fit.

All in all, I feel that this would've made for a more compelling WM32 and one fit to legitimately sell 100k+ in tickets. I understand that Orton, Cena and Rollins were injured and The Rock wasn't really advertised (Three of their biggest draws in the last 20 years) but lets run with this what if scenario and pretend it were possible


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Old 03-31-2017, 03:13 PM
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I enjoyed the IC title ladder match. The completely unexpected Ryder victory felt good, but I knew something wasn't quite right. It was a great move to open the main card with a moment to get the crowd hot, but in retrospect it feels forced because they rushed to put the title on Miz the next night.

Ambrose vs Lesnar was disappointing, as are most part-time Lesnar matches that don't feature multiple opponents or The Undertaker. The way they built up Brock as a squash machine, so it's no surprise they booked the match this way. Even Brock felt like he was going through the motions. Unfortunately, booking this match differently requires 4 years of booking changes.

Other thoughts:

New Day's tag titles not being on the line just gave away the League of Nations victory. Why on Earth weren't they? It sucked all the drama out of this match by force. LON had been hired goons for the McMahons and Triple H, it made zero sense that they wouldn't be awarded a title match at Mania.

The match could have ended with a DQ, and the legends could have made the save and the same nothing could have amounted out of this match, but at least it would have made a bit more sense.

The Rock vs Erik Rowan segment was trash for hardcore fans, and an absolute beer spilling thrill moment for casuals. That's kind of been the theme of modern WWE - placing what attracts casuals over what matters to true wrestling fans and logical storytelling.

The Rock puts himself over, then leaves to go back to being a movie star. The next night the Wyatts are still treading water in WWE. The Rock showing up for an impromptu match is something that can sell WrestleManias for years, The Wyatts getting over won't do that.

There must have been a way to put both Rock and the Wyatts over. Rock could have still hit his two moves, but there must have been a way to make the Wyatts look good before the Cena save. To this day the entire Wyatt family is still embarked on their anti-streak, still winless at four WrestleManias, strong chance of that becoming five this Sunday.
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WWE were obviously backed into a corner in the months leading up to Mania due to the countless injuries, but I think they did a good job with what they had and put forth a pretty good card. Unfortunately due to some questionable booking decisions, a lack of caring from Brock Lesnar and head-scratchingly long matches, it ruined a show that had good potential.


What was your favorite match on this show, and why did you like it the most?

There was no real standout but I'll go with the opening Ladder match with the Women's Triple Threat coming in at a close second. Some of the stuff done in that match by Zayn and Owens was really great. Sin Cara had a couple incredible spots and the shock win of Zack Ryder was nice.


What about the worst match of this show, why did you like it the least?
It has to be Undertaker/Shane. Good god was that awful. They had about fifteen minutes worth of match and somehow had to stretch it out into a half an hour. It was entirely too long and although the payoff spot with Shane jumping off the Cell was cool, even Stevie Wonder could see it coming from a million miles away.


If you could change anything about Wrestlemania 32, what thing(s) would you change and why?
I already tackled this in the "Rebook a WrestleMania thread, so I guess I'll leave it here as well give or take a few edits.


Keep the pre-show as is.

1. The New Day def. The League of Nations to retain the WWE Tag Team Championships

This would mean that the post match stuff with Stone Cold, HBK and Foley doesn't happen. I thought it was a big mistake to not have New Day defend the titles even though originally they were supposed to, then somehow the match became non-title. It's obvious why they did it but The League of Nations winning did absolutely NOTHING for them and was a waste.

2. Sami Zayn def. Kevin Owens (c) to become the Intercontinental Champion

Yes, Zack Ryder doesn't get his WrestleMania moment, I know I'm cruel but there was no need for a ladder match that year. They had a clear IC title feud right in front of them but opted for a ladder match because, "Hey we did it last year, let's make it tradition!"

3. Baron Corbin wins the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal

Nothing about this changes.

4. AJ Styles def. Chris Jericho


Because this is how it should have been.

5. Sasha Banks def. Charlotte (c) and Becky Lynch to win the WWE Women's Championship.

This would've ended Charlotte's PPV streak quite early but a lot of people thought they should've gone with this, and I agree.

6. Bray Wyatt def. Brock Lesnar

I'm not sure why this ended up not happening, did Bray get hurt? Or did they just change plans because of all the injuries?... Nonetheless this would've been better than the Ambrose/Lesnar match we got (almost anything would've been), it doesn't have to be a clean victory, it shouldn't be a clean victory but a victory nonetheless.

7. Throw in The Rock's annual useless promo here. Maybe throw in Cena and the other legends as well BUT THIS TIME HE DOESN'T BURY THE WYATTS!!

8. Roman Reigns def. Triple H (c) and Dean Ambrose to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship

Yup, a triple threat... and also... not the main event. Ambrose was white hot at this time and the match with Lesnar at Mania and the subsequent pretty bad feud with Jericho had him spiraling downwards for a bit until he won Money in the Bank. He was in the title picture right up until Mania so it's not like this spot is necessarily "out of his league". Also, Triple H vs. Reigns was pretty awful AND WAY WAY TOOOO LONG but Ambrose has great chemistry with both men so hopefully his inclusion could turn it into a pretty good match.

9. The Undertaker def. Shane McMahon inside Hell in a Cell


How was this not the main event? I know they wanted Reigns to have his big WrestleMania moment but it just doesn't work logically. Say Shane won and Triple H was no longer in control of RAW, now you expect him to go out and have a World Championship match? NO! Of course Shane didn't win so it became a non-issue but if you want your product to feel real, you don't have a company altering stipulation that effects someone in a later match greatly go on first, there's no sense behind that. Also cut this match down by at least 10 minutes.
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1. My FAVORITE match on the show was the AJ/Jericho bout. I am not one who was familiar with AJ's body of work outside the WWE, and I was pleasantly surprised at the veteran newcomer. It was a fun, highly-entertaining match and was my favorite.

Ryder winning the IC belt was a fun surprise, and the women's match was excellent.

2. The worst match of the show, for me, was easily.. EASILY.. Brock and Ambrose. I expected this one to be a little goofy, but honestly it was just boring and terrible and fell far below expectations for me. The Shane / Taker match was also not good at all until the jump spot.

3. If I could have changed anything about the show, it would have been having a triple threat with the members of the SHIELD. I know, I know. Seth was injured. But if I could change any one thing, that would be it.
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Brock vs Ambrose was a complete waste of time. The match sucked, the wrong guy lost and it didn't do anything for either wrestler.
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Wrestlemania 32 was one of the stupidest booked PPVs ever, let alone a Wrestlemania one.

After Raw and Smackdown two days later, 90% of what happened at Wrestlemania meant nothing.

Here are four examples:-

-Chris Jericho beats A.J. Styles at WM32. The next night, A.J. is installed as No. 1 Contender to the WWE Title. How did he earn that shot? He didn't beat anyone for it. They should have had A.J. win at 'Mania, and then making him No. 1 Contender would make more sense.

-Zack Ryder wins the IC Title ladder Match. Two weeks later, he is no longer even amongst the contenders for the belt. Miz beat Ryder on SD two nights later, and Zack isn't even in the title picture after that. What was the point?

-Roman Reigns beats Triple H for the WWE Title. Yet Triple H is not seen or heard of for months afterwards. At least have Triple H show up the next night on RAW, and cut a promo with Roman, before leaving for a while. He was never even mentioned for a few months after that.

-The biggest one, though, was Shane McMahon and the Undertaker HIAC. This was an insult. Everyone complains about A.J. this year fighting Shane, saying that he deserves a better opponent. Well, so did Taker, and yet he is relegated to fighting Shane. It made no sense. Why would Taker care who ran RAW? He hates Vince on-air, so why would he agree to fight Shane? Finally, Shane lost, meaning that he can never run RAW, yet he runs RAW the next night, and all is forgotten. Vince admired his guts and gave him being Commissioner, after disowning him leading to Wrestlemania.

However, a bright note was the great Divas match, which I had as my MOTY. Charlotte, Sasha and Becky pulled out an awesome match, which shined like a beacon on an otherwise lacklustre Wrestlemania, and the match still meant something going forward.
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Brock vs Ambrose was a complete waste of time. The match sucked, the wrong guy lost and it didn't do anything for either wrestler.
I know.

They spent months building up Dean Ambrose. Made him look like a million dollars.Only for Brock to squash him, without using weapons.

This is another reason I hate Brock Lesnar's stinking guts.
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6. Bray Wyatt def. Brock Lesnar

I'm not sure why this ended up not happening, did Bray get hurt? Or did they just change plans because of all the injuries?... Nonetheless this would've been better than the Ambrose/Lesnar match we got (almost anything would've been), it doesn't have to be a clean victory, it shouldn't be a clean victory but a victory nonetheless.
I believe this is correct: Wyatt was out for a while in the first quarter of 2016, though they still used him as an on-screen mouthpiece for the Wyatt Family. This, coupled with Seth Rollins' injury (had Seth been healthy, we would almost definitely have seen the Shield triple threat) forced WWE to change around a lot of the card
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