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Old 04-17-2018, 03:52 AM
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If WCW downsized and didn’t try to compete with the WWE I think they could have made a comeback…. Providing that Fusient were willing to help the company out with the large amount of debt incurred.
Put WCW on a different timeslot or better different night to WWE programming. That way the wrestling audience isn’t split- so wrestling fans who would always watch WWE can have the opportunity to watch WCW too on a separate night, which will help boost WCW ratings and potential brand awareness.
Put simply accept that WCW is no.2 - it might take many many years to recover, so be an alternative rather than compete directly.

(Assuming that WWE isn’t interested) Keep Sting, Flair, Booker T, Jarrett, Scott Steiner … some of the oldies with gas in the tank, though negotiate lower contracts when they are up for renewal. With Hogan and Hart well out of the picture before the takeover- the next highest paid guy was Goldberg.
Bring Goldberg back and build the company around him- they need an established star to keep the loyal fans interested.
The concept of guaranteed money contracts must be removed- if some of the bigger WCW stars don’t like it they can lump it. Without an Invasion angle would WWE be interested in paying top dollar for them?

Some of those on big contracts to let go: Kevin Nash, (Hall has already been fired), Sid, Luger and also midcarders being paid more than their worth (say Rick Steiner) should be shredded to make way for younger guys to fill the lower/midcard spots on the roster
As ECW went out of business roughly the same time- bring in some of the ECW guys that WWE didn’t consider until the company folded- namely RVD, Rhyno, Credible, Tajiri. At the time these ECW guys were making less than some of the WCW lower carders had been.
Also scour the Indies for the best young talent- some of the TNA guys (Styles, Roode, Aries, Samoa Joe, Storm, Punk) could Have eventually found their way into a new WCW.
Scouting good new talent on lower wages and shredding some of the dead wood on high wages is key to balancing the books.

When Bischoff first ran the company in 1993- WCW were operating at a loss, he cut costs everywhere he could, filmed shows in the Disney MGM (to cut travel costs) …. It was when the company took off that spending went out of control with huge guaranteed money contracts, and paying silly money for celebrity appearences.
Bischoff should go back to his 1993 logic … recover costs first and then grow slowly from there. Hopefully he would have learned his lessons about over spending.
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It's extremely difficult to tell when it comes to WCW.

If Eric was going to be successful with a wrestling program at that point, I don't think he would have been able to pull it off if he was still calling it WCW. That name translated to "toxic" for investors.

I think that the best case scenario for Eric would have been to utilize the NWA name while still keeping the WCW video library. He could have established his brand as an alternative to working the insane schedule of the WWE and thereby go back to how the NWA ran when a World Champion would go to the different territories, only in this case the territories would be the independent prowrestling companies scattered around the nation.

Eric could have made a show for a timeslot that Vince would have scoffed at, like 2pm on a Tuesday. The effort wouldn't be to upstage the WWE or try to steal their thunder, the effort would be to get noticed and earn credibility that way.

Hell, he could have even parleyed with Vince by allowing him to say on tv that he destroyed WCW, in exchange for less aggressive tactics on Vince's part to destroy another competitor.

It could have been great, but it was never meant to be.
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Not realistically, as there was a vicious cycle by that point... to get the best talent, you had to pay massive sums and without the best talent, the show would inherently be seen as inferior.

TNA managed in the early days as they were sparing with the "big" expensive names but the quality did suffer. The kind of people Bischoff could have afforded would have been the Booker's, Jarrett's and Buff Bagwell's of the world rather than the Goldberg's, Hogans and Nash's... he might have picked up a few WWF rejects here and there but he wouldn't have been able to realistically get anyone who was guaranteed to elevate the perception without going down the roads that killed it the first time.

The other side of the coin is that he had alienated a LOT of talents over the past few years who could have been influential, such as Flair and Arn... had be been onside with them, they could have potentially talked some talent into coming back... but as it was they like everyone wanted out and were happy to see WCW die.

To be honest, I think Turner/AOL did Bischoff a favour... if he'd tanked the company twice... he would have had a much harder life than how things turned out for him.
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Had Ted Turner not sold to Time Warner/ AOL that would've kept WCW afloat because Ted loved wrestling and as long as he lived there was always going to be wrestling on TBS/ TNT.
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Today, April 19th, is the official 20th anniversary of me checking for spoilers and using this site wrestlezone. I remember this because I remember for the first time ever that evening checking the WCW Spring Stampede results. Before April 19th, 1998, I would just wait for the next RAW or Nitro after a PPV to read about the results. Before then I watched every Nitro. After the popularization of 'spoilers', I didn't have to watch the full shows anymore. And with 'spoilers' also came wrestling 'news' which confirmed to fans that, yes, there was an indeed a war between promotions behind the scenes. Many of us in 1998 did not even know what we know today about a ratings war. We just suspected it. With 'spoilers' and 'behind the scenes' stuff and this new concept called 'television ratings', wrestling fans took their obsession with the company of their choice to a whole new level. I had become a massive WCW fan. So I became obsessed with its product. I just couldn't for the life of me get back into WWE after it had pushed Jeff Jarrett, Triple H and the Godwins. When I look back now and try to see what I missed in WWF from 1995-2001, I just see a lot of horrible wrestling matches and cheap publicity stunts. However, when I go back and watch WCW, there's all this anticipation and then the big let down DQ at the end of the show. It's clear looking back that you had to be living in the present back in the 90s to fully love and appreciate the Attitude Era whether it be WCW or WWF. Those of us who missed the live atmosphere of the time definitely missed out.

With that said, I'm going to offer up an alternative opinion. I believe that if Turner's new decision makers hadn't purposely sabotaged the product, WCW could have survived and possibly even outlived WWE. The Time-Warner merger took power out of Turner's hands and consequently out of Bischoff's. Eric could now no longer push the envelope and had to follow standards and practices while Vince gave WWE performers the freedom to do or say whatever it took to beat the now watered-down competition. The dual citizens who took over Turner had now bought up the television competition in the US. They and their tribe had now gained full control of American television. They were NOT in a position to compete as they now had a monopoly. Therefore, the powers that be forced Bischoff to soften the product and cool down the NWO angle.

I believe Bischoff was intelligent enough and his roster was deep enough that WCW could have survived and prospered if left alone from mid 1998 to 2001. I even believe WCW would have survived just fine without Jericho, Benoit, Eddie and Show jumping ship. Given a little more time, these guys would actually water down WWE. WWE actually begin to crumble the moment it started calling itself WWE, as evidenced by the ratings collapse during the second half of 2002. Here's the thing: Stone Cold only had another year or two left in him. Rock was ready to move on to Hollywood. Foley was finished. Triple H began his reign of terror aka the neverending push from hell. Guys with mediocre ability/mic skill like Cena, Lesnar, Orton and Batista were being pushed to the moon. Old WCW guys like Benoit Jericho Show Eddie were decent mid carders. Jericho even made a good heel main eventer. But WWE put these guys in positions to draw which, in hindsight, really is laughable. WWE could have bought over all the big names and old guys from WCW and screwed up their own business all on their own pushing vanilla midgets and fumbling hugely anticpated returns (like Goldbergs and the NWO). The problem with WCW is that some Time Warner idiot lured Vince Russo away from WWE to take over for Eric Bischoff. When the problem wasn't Bischoff at all, it was the dual citizen idiots at Time Warner. Russo did horrific damage to the WCW product and pushed wrestlers who had no business being pushed. He also killed the NWO by throwing Bret, Jarrett and the Harris Brothers together. The secret to killing WCW was to kill the NWO and McMahon's buddies at Time Warner and Russo did a fantastic job doing just that.

And for those of you who parrot the same old crap about the NWO becoming stale, that is just a personal opinion - it is not factual. Because WCW had its highest ratings EVER toward the end of the NWO angle in late 1998-early 1999. It didn't matter if there were too many guys in the group. Mainstream fans were tuning in by the millions by 1998 and 1999 to see the revolution and it really was quite something to see week in and week out. The NWO was a cash cow! It was 3 times as over as Daniel Bryan at his height.

Anyway, that's my argument. If there's no merger in August 98 and Bischoff is allowed free reign over the company/Turner's money then, given time, WCW could have survived and maybe even possibly put WWE out of business. With Bischoff entrenched at WCW, McMahon is stuck with with Russo. So here are a few questions to ask oneself. Where does WWE end up if McMahon doesn't fire Russo? What happens if Bischoff uses Turner's money to steal dissatisfied big name talent? What happens when the disillusioned guys waiting for a push behind Paul Levesque decide they want to jump ship? If WCW had of remained strong, could Bischoff not afforded to buy the headliners like Rock or Austin who were sick of Triple H and the McMahons? Wouldn't guys like Rock or Austin want to matchup with wrestling's greatest in WCW like Hogan, Savage, Flair etc? And if these guys were bought with Turners' money, would that not sway the majority of the mainstream audience away from WWE Raw and back into watching WCW Nitro? Just look at the drop in WWE's ratings when Triple H became Hogan 2.0 and Rock and Austin ditched WWE for good in 2003. Simply put, WCW EASILY could have survived.

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Today, April 19th, is the official 20th anniversary of me checking for spoilers and using this site wrestlezone. I remember this because I remember for the first time ever that evening checking the WCW Spring Stampede results. Before April 19th, 1998, I would just wait for the next RAW or Nitro after a PPV to read about the results. Before then I watched every Nitro. After the popularization of 'spoilers', I didn't have to watch the full shows anymore. And with 'spoilers' also came wrestling 'news' which confirmed to fans that, yes, there was an indeed a war between promotions behind the scenes. Many of us in 1998 did not even know what we know today about a ratings war. We just suspected it. With 'spoilers' and 'behind the scenes' stuff and this new concept called 'television ratings', wrestling fans took their obsession with the company of their choice to a whole new level. I had become a massive WCW fan. So I became obsessed with its product. I just couldn't for the life of me get back into WWE after it had pushed Jeff Jarrett, Triple H and the Godwins. When I look back now and try to see what I missed in WWF from 1995-2001, I just see a lot of horrible wrestling matches and cheap publicity stunts. However, when I go back and watch WCW, there's all this anticipation and then the big let down DQ at the end of the show. It's clear looking back that you had to be living in the present back in the 90s to fully love and appreciate the Attitude Era whether it be WCW or WWF. Those of us who missed the live atmosphere of the time definitely missed out.
Try watching 00 through early 01 WWE. 98-99 was Russo running wild. Invasion part of 01 isn't good but Jericho, Rock, Angle and Austin were very entertaining during that time. 01 also had a ton of injuries that hurt what they could do.

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With that said, I'm going to offer up an alternative opinion. I believe that if Turner's new decision makers hadn't purposely sabotaged the product, WCW could have survived and possibly even outlived WWE. The Time-Warner merger took power out of Turner's hands and consequently out of Bischoff's. Eric could now no longer push the envelope and had to follow standards and practices while Vince gave WWE performers the freedom to do or say whatever it took to beat the now watered-down competition. The dual citizens who took over Turner had now bought up the television competition in the US. They and their tribe had now gained full control of American television. They were NOT in a position to compete as they now had a monopoly. Therefore, the powers that be forced Bischoff to soften the product and cool down the NWO angle.
Yes, it makes it harder to book with standards but talent overcomes restrictions.

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I believe Bischoff was intelligent enough and his roster was deep enough that WCW could have survived and prospered if left alone from mid 1998 to 2001. I even believe WCW would have survived just fine without Jericho, Benoit, Eddie and Show jumping ship. Given a little more time, these guys would actually water down WWE. WWE actually begin to crumble the moment it started calling itself WWE, as evidenced by the ratings collapse during the second half of 2002. Here's the thing: Stone Cold only had another year or two left in him. Rock was ready to move on to Hollywood. Foley was finished. Triple H began his reign of terror aka the neverending push from hell. Guys with mediocre ability/mic skill like Cena, Lesnar, Orton and Batista were being pushed to the moon. Old WCW guys like Benoit Jericho Show Eddie were decent mid carders. Jericho even made a good heel main eventer. But WWE put these guys in positions to draw which, in hindsight, really is laughable. WWE could have bought over all the big names and old guys from WCW and screwed up their own business all on their own pushing vanilla midgets and fumbling hugely anticpated returns (like Goldbergs and the NWO). The problem with WCW is that some Time Warner idiot lured Vince Russo away from WWE to take over for Eric Bischoff. When the problem wasn't Bischoff at all, it was the dual citizen idiots at Time Warner. Russo did horrific damage to the WCW product and pushed wrestlers who had no business being pushed. He also killed the NWO by throwing Bret, Jarrett and the Harris Brothers together. The secret to killing WCW was to kill the NWO and McMahon's buddies at Time Warner and Russo did a fantastic job doing just that.
The giant ratings collapse was really caused by the brand split. They knew that was going to happen. They likely wouldn't have split had WCW not ended.

The biggest problem I have with WCW continuing was what upcoming stars did they have? Goldberg...and? Booker and Steiner I guess but they weren't setting the world on fire.

No, "McMahon's buddies" didn't cause WCW to die. Bischoff partially has blame here. As does Russo, Hogan, Nash and a ton of other causes.

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And for those of you who parrot the same old crap about the NWO becoming stale, that is just a personal opinion - it is not factual. Because WCW had its highest ratings EVER toward the end of the NWO angle in late 1998-early 1999. It didn't matter if there were too many guys in the group. Mainstream fans were tuning in by the millions by 1998 and 1999 to see the revolution and it really was quite something to see week in and week out. The NWO was a cash cow! It was 3 times as over as Daniel Bryan at his height.
That's more business inertia than NWO still being hot. NWO did become stale and people were tired of it. They could have been even hotter had they ended it. It hurt them in the end.

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Anyway, that's my argument. If there's no merger in August 98 and Bischoff is allowed free reign over the company/Turner's money then, given time, WCW could have survived and maybe even possibly put WWE out of business. With Bischoff entrenched at WCW, McMahon is stuck with with Russo. So here are a few questions to ask oneself. Where does WWE end up if McMahon doesn't fire Russo? What happens if Bischoff uses Turner's money to steal dissatisfied big name talent? What happens when the disillusioned guys waiting for a push behind Paul Levesque decide they want to jump ship? If WCW had of remained strong, could Bischoff not afforded to buy the headliners like Rock or Austin who were sick of Triple H and the McMahons? Wouldn't guys like Rock or Austin want to matchup with wrestling's greatest in WCW like Hogan, Savage, Flair etc? And if these guys were bought with Turners' money, would that not sway the majority of the mainstream audience away from WWE Raw and back into watching WCW Nitro? Just look at the drop in WWE's ratings when Triple H became Hogan 2.0 and Rock and Austin ditched WWE for good in 2003. Simply put, WCW EASILY could have survived.
Austin's neck was giving out by the end of 01. Austin also hated WCW, Bischoff and Hogan. At the time, it doesn't seem like Austin was open to making amends. So he wasn't going anywhere. If he did go, he wouldn't have stayed long. His neck couldn't take it. Austin had already faced Flair in his original WCW run. Savage was gone by 99 or 00. He was pretty much a roided old guy at that point. Austin didn't want to face Hogan in WWE. Austin claims it is because he thought the match would suck but there are rumors it was due to Austin not liking him. Either way, he wasn't interested in that. Also no indication Austin hated HHH.

I don't see why Rock would go either. Rock ditched wrestling because his agent told him that was the only way he could become a Hollywood star.

The guys stuck behind HHH were Jericho, RVD and Booker T. Jericho hated WCW. RVD and Booker wouldn't turn WCW around by themselves.
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WCW would be either like IMPACT as in slowly but surly try to get back in the game or ROH a niche promotion that does pretty good for themselves but never returning to its glory days.
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WCW could've cancelled both Nitto and Thunder and relaunched their Saturday Night show and keep Worldwide and slowly fade out the WCW name and use the NWA brand name building up to title unification matches at Starrcade 2001.
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