**MERGED** The Shield Discussion - Matches, angles, etc (Keep It In Here!!!!)

[The Crock]

Just moments ago, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, and Roman Reigns ran in and attacked Ryback in the WWE Championship main event at Survivor Series, allowing CM Punk to sneak out with his championship reign in tact. The ending -- for all the speculation about how Dean Ambrose would debut -- was a complete and utter surprise, and one of the better PPV endings in recent memory. Rollins, Reigns, and Ambrose tore Ryback up and got a chance to make an immediate impact in their debuts, the likes of which most people don't get until much later (if ever) in their careers.

So, what did you guys think about the debuts for these three men? What do you think their motivations are? Was this the best way to put Punk over in this match, while "protecting" Ryback? Are they interfering for their own interests, not Punk's? Any other thoughts?

Personally, I never really bought into the Dean Ambrose hype and I'm not a huge fan of either Reigns or Rollins, but that was a REALLY cool debut (I'm interested to see if Maddox fits in with these three, too). I'm a sucker for surprises and love watching stories as they pan out, so this is right up my alley. It's pretty early on, so there's not much I can say here, but this has to be the start of a "Heyman guys" stable (or something along those lines) and maybe it's the easiest way to transition Punk away from Ryback -- while he focuses in Ambrose, Rollins, and Reigns -- and into the build toward his Royal Rumble match against The Rock. Punk has always been great in a leadership role (he was fucking awesome with the SES, that's seriously some of his most underrated work), so I can't wait to see how he handles this.

[smizzy]

I think it's significant that the three debuted together. They are apart of what is the next generation. They will be imbedded in the product for years to come. It's like Trout* and Harper and Machado all debuting in the 2012 season. *Really just a rookie season after a brieff '11 stint. You look back years down the road when these people are established superstars and are reminded that they cracked the main roster together.

Obviously Ambrose and Rollins have been highly anticipated, but from what I've gauged so far, is that people aren't that enthusiastic about Reigns (Leakee). To me, he makes all this that much sweeter. He's a great talent and everyone will come to see that, however unexcited they are right now. I'm ecstatic that we get all three guys at the same time.

[Jack-Hammer]

It was a very cool and completely unexpected debut for these three. The immediate question that springs to mind is, as has been brought up, whether these three are in an alliance with Punk & Heyman or if they did this of their own accord. You know, in an attempt to make an impact like Brad Maddox did last month at Hell in a Cell.

Tomorrow's follow up on Raw will be important and I just hope & pray that WWE doesn't do something foolish like decide to suddenly feed one or all of these guys to Ryback. Doing something like that would make what they did tonight & their debut absolutely meaningless. I'm not all that familiar with Reigns, but Rollins & Ambrose have been considered overall the top hottest talents in WWE's developmental system for a long while. So c'mon Vince, don't screw this up.

[jerry20xx]

It was pretty lame. People sucked Ambrose's penis for a long time and he debuts as a balding security guard who helps powerbomb Ryback. OMG HE'S SO KOOL!

We all know what the fuck their motivations were. Vince wanted CM Punk to keep the belt without having Ryback pinned. End of story.

I am happy about Rollins making his debut though it shouldn't have happened this way.

In a months time Roman will be forgotten about and pushed back to NXT like Camacho, Ambrose will be tagging with Brodus Clay on Saturday Morning Slam and Rollins will be thrown into random feuds.

[a member of wwe universe]

Originally Posted by jerry20xx

It was pretty lame. People sucked Ambrose's penis for a long time and he debuts as a balding security guard who helps powerbomb Ryback. OMG HE'S SO KOOL!

We all know what the fuck their motivations were. Vince wanted CM Punk to keep the belt without having Ryback pinned. End of story.

I am happy about Rollins making his debut though it shouldn't have happened this way.

In a months time Roman will be forgotten about and pushed back to NXT like Camacho, Ambrose will be tagging with Brodus Clay on Saturday Morning Slam and Rollins will be thrown into random feuds.

sad but true. given wwe track record with new talents debut, it doesn't look good. fans especially iwc gets over excited about New debut, stable etc. only to be dropped by the e after 6month in time. i really don't have much expectation with these guys knowing wwe will screw it up somehow.

[sTyLnK]

Originally Posted by jerry20xx

It was pretty lame. People sucked Ambrose's penis for a long time and he debuts as a balding security guard who helps powerbomb Ryback. OMG HE'S SO KOOL!

We all know what the fuck their motivations were. Vince wanted CM Punk to keep the belt without having Ryback pinned. End of story.

I am happy about Rollins making his debut though it shouldn't have happened this way.

In a months time Roman will be forgotten about and pushed back to NXT like Camacho, Ambrose will be tagging with Brodus Clay on Saturday Morning Slam and Rollins will be thrown into random feuds.

Unfortunately that is the reality for 99% of the wrestlers in the WWE. It's the ladder effect. They get their push, then they get buried. Another wrestler gets a push, they get buried. It's a vicious cycle. It's no wonder the WWE doesn't have many huge names to carry the company other than Cena, Punk and yes Orton. None get much of a chance. Vince crammed Cena down everyone's throats and continued to even though the IWC couldn't stand him. Do the same thing with a bunch of other wrestlers. People are going to watch no matter what, so get a few guys with awesome potential and push the hell out of them. You see glimpses of Vince doing it from time to time and we see it with Ryback, but honestly he could very easily be pushed off the ladder and buried. It wouldn't be surprising if did happen.

[HereComesThePain53]

Why would these 3 idiots debut in the goddamned main event? The match was going so well and these low life pathetic talentless bastards ruin it. I turned my TV off when I saw that. What a f*cking waste of money. 3 little children ruining a CM Punk Cena Ryback match wow Vince. And then what they'll be buried in a few weeks right? What's the point of debuting them? No one cares. I only care about the major talent. This "new generation" buffoons will never tantamount people like Stone cold rock undertaker etc. So just give up. WWE will die after the main superstars leave so why ruin the moment while it lasts? Goddamnit.

[hatehabsforever]

Originally Posted by HereComesThePain53

Why would these 3 idiots debut in the goddamned main event? The match was going so well and these low life pathetic talentless bastards ruin it. I turned my TV off when I saw that. What a f*cking waste of money. 3 little children ruining a CM Punk Cena Ryback match wow Vince. And then what they'll be buried in a few weeks right? What's the point of debuting them? No one cares. I only care about the major talent. This "new generation" buffoons will never tantamount people like Stone cold rock undertaker etc. So just give up. WWE will die after the main superstars leave so why ruin the moment while it lasts? Goddamnit.

What an insightful and well thought out post, displaying terrific understanding of professional wrestling and specifically WWE.

I mean, how dare the WWE debut new talent with tons of potential, rather than simply recycle the same guys over and over and over again? I mean, their track record in doing so is abysmal.

Look at the original Nexus. Goddamn Daniel Bryan, what a bust he turned out to be, I cannot understand why the WWE bothered to call him up to the main roster! Skip Sheffield, another total waste of time, I don't see any future whatsoever in this guy.

Darren Young. David Otunga. Justin Gabriel. Wade Barrett. I mean, you're never going to see any of these losers featured on one of the biggest PPV's of the year. Even Heath Slater, never see that dude on RAW doing anything.

The original Nexus was a flop. How dare the WWE replicate their errors! Rather than search for the next budding superstar, whether it be Ambrose, or Rollins, or some guy not even called up yet, the WWE would be far better served by featuring the same three or four guys, over and over again, without making any attempt whatsoever to expand their horizons. Give us a steady diet of Orton, and Cena, and Punk, and no one else. Nothing stale about that at all. I mean, WWE is dead anyway, so why even bother to try?

[HereComesThePain53]

Originally Posted by hatehabsforever

What an insightful and well thought out post, displaying terrific understanding of professional wrestling and specifically WWE.

I mean, how dare the WWE debut new talent with tons of potential, rather than simply recycle the same guys over and over and over again? I mean, their track record in doing so is abysmal.

Look at the original Nexus. Goddamn Daniel Bryan, what a bust he turned out to be, I cannot understand why the WWE bothered to call him up to the main roster! Skip Sheffield, another total waste of time, I don't see any future whatsoever in this guy.

Darren Young. David Otunga. Justin Gabriel. Wade Barrett. I mean, you're never going to see any of these losers featured on one of the biggest PPV's of the year. Even Heath Slater, never see that dude on RAW doing anything.

The original Nexus was a flop. How dare the WWE replicate their errors! Rather than search for the next budding superstar, whether it be Ambrose, or Rollins, or some guy not even called up yet, the WWE would be far better served by featuring the same three or four guys, over and over again, without making any attempt whatsoever to expand their horizons. Give us a steady diet of Orton, and Cena, and Punk, and no one else. Nothing stale about that at all. I mean, WWE is dead anyway, so why even bother to try?

Really? Really? Really? You think you're smart? Don't act like you're all that with me. Moron. Daniel Bryan was a star from the beginning. So was Wade barrett. Darren, Otunga, Gabriel , and Slater are as irrelevant as a piece of thread on my carpet. Orton Cena Punk lesnar HHH Undertaker Bryan Kane, and many more. Everyone excluding Sandow, Rhodes, Cesaro, and these 3 NXT buffoons. Don't act smart.

[Danger Burger]

Originally Posted by jerry20xx

We all know what the fuck their motivations were. Vince wanted CM Punk to keep the belt without having Ryback pinned. End of story.

Are you mixing up story and real life?

Who cares WHY they were bought up. See where they go with it before you start saying it was all for nothing.


Havent seen SS yet, but it makes tonights Raw all the more interesting knowing I have unanswered questions going in. Perhaps they are in cahoots with Brad Maddox?

Originally Posted by Jack Hammer

As I alluded to in my post, I'm also a bit worried about where the go from here. After all, these three men looked like they cost Ryback the WWE Championship and you just have a feeling that WWE is going to have Ryback get back at them over that. That's not such a bad thing as it can keep these three in the middle of a big angle but what causes the little anxiety is that we saw how Ryback avenged himself against Brad Maddox by destroying him. What's to stop WWE from doing the same thing with these three? Common sense hopefully.

We might be lucky in that Ryback hasnt faced three guys all at once before, and that Reigns is pretty big, maybe able to hold his own with the 'back! Hopefully there'll be plenty of shenanigans stopping these guys from taking Jerry the kings lift home on monday.