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Old 02-03-2018, 05:56 AM
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As he has done almost nothing this year of note, put him in the ATGBR if he shows up. After last year's debacle with Bray Wyatt, I'm not fussed if I ever see Orton at Mania again. And I like Orton.
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Old 02-03-2018, 11:50 AM
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Eventually that will have to come to an end. We are not talking about Undertaker here. We are talking about someone who is where he is because of who he is friends with in the back. Not because of his popularity.

Look at what Jericho did. By wrestling Kenny Omega, he made himself MORE valuable because he brought more eyeballs not only to NJPW, but probably brought some BACK to WWE. Orton cannot, and probably will not, reinvent himself within the confines of WWE. However, if you think New Japan won't give Orton Okada-type money, you are insane. Orton is way ahead of Cody Rhodes. And, Orton could probably command $20K an appearance on the Indy Circuit. Add that to keeping all merch money, and getting accommodations and airfare paid for (Which WWE probably does), Orton could prove even MORE valuable to WWE after reinvention.

Right now, he is spinning his wheels.
As a fan, I'd love to see this. No shit. But, I don't think this is something Orton would do. Of course you never know what can happen, but to me he looks like a guy that enjoys his comfort zone rather than someone who is a risk taker.
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2. Randy Orton, Future Killer. Orton's best gimmick was the Legend Killer. It would be fun to see that character flipped around now with something like the "future killer," where instead of targeting famous legends, Orton targets young, up-and-coming wrestlers. The gimmick would basically be a veteran guy that doens't want these new stars coming in and taking his spot. It makes for a great heel character and in reality could help elevate some of these younger guys with a high profile feud.
This is the best idea I've probably ever read on these forums. Seriously dude, bravo.

When wrestling fans want a heel turn it's normally cliche and lacks originality. While that's the case for a number of stars, Orton needs it to freshen up his character more so than anyone else and what a fucking brilliant way to do it. It's the perfect excuse for Orton to feud with a handful of up and comers like Baron Corbin, Rusev, Finn Balor, Elias, a returning Big Cass or especially a Universal Title program with Roman Reigns. Orton is great at making others look good whenever he decides to give it his all. With changing his character to the "Future Killer", I could see him giving it a bit more enthusiasm as he's said time and time again, he enjoys being a heel just a bit more.

As for a Wrestlemania program, that'll be a perfect time to debut the new gimmick all the while turning into a ruthless yet cocky heel he was before. I like the idea of him being in the Battle Royal. I'd have him target a number of youngsters eventually losing out to Finn Balor or Elias. Then RKO the victor as they pose. It's a great way to liven up a character that most people seem to be bored with. Orton is still a big name in the WWE so he should be utilized in a pretty prominent role.
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Old 02-03-2018, 07:32 PM
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2. Randy Orton, Future Killer. Orton's best gimmick was the Legend Killer. It would be fun to see that character flipped around now with something like the "future killer," where instead of targeting famous legends, Orton targets young, up-and-coming wrestlers. The gimmick would basically be a veteran guy that doens't want these new stars coming in and taking his spot. It makes for a great heel character and in reality could help elevate some of these younger guys with a high profile feud. This idea combined with the IC Champion idea would work really well, or you could even have him as the top heel in NXT for a bit if you wanted to keep him active but away from the main roster.
This idea sounds wonderful on paper but there's one big problem. I don't think it has longevity. So Orton is going to be a heel, the Future Killer, going after young guys. But in order for the gimmick to become legit, Orton needs to find some young guys to beat. So in reality what you have here, is Randy Orton becoming something like Brock Lesnar, an unbeatable heel. Because, the gimmick needs to have some strength behind it, right? He needs victories.

And here's the problem. He's just going to beat fresh talent and talent that you are looking at to become the future main eventers.

And then, all of that will end until the big young babyface emerge. The one that will beat Orton and end this future killer gimmick.

So in reality, all of this, benefits one guy, the guy that will beat Randy or to put it better, the guy that Orton will be unable to defeat.

However it's a great idea that could provide some interesting TV and I think can lost easily at least 6 months and maybe if they book it nicely.. a full year. But that's about it.
It needs some long term booking, as you need to find the sacrificial lambs, those who will lose to Orton and of course the chosen one, who will finally beat the Future Killer.
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Old 02-04-2018, 12:27 AM
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Randy Orton is most likely turning heel to take on Nakamura at Fastlane. They made these two a team and Orton was one of the last six in the Rumble during the now and then confrontation.

Orton makes sense as an opponent. Theyíre likely to not go full heel, but there would be better momentum if Nakamura beats someone a bit more despicable. Obviously, Shinsuke could just as easily face the loser or Owens vs Zayn, but they have been building to a confrontation with Randy.

So Orton turns heel, what then? The most interesting thing theyíve done with Randyís character in recent years was the Wyatt angle. Joining the Wyatt family looked good on paper, but the execution was unbelievably ham fisted and the payoff was so meh.

The challenge is that there isnít much Orton hasnít done. He won his first world nearly 14 years ago, and has never spent a significant time away. Heís certainly running the risk of basically being a strictly serious version of Kane or Big Show. A veteran whoís done it all and gets his occasional failed world title shot before floundering in the upper midcard.

Orton isnít such an institution that they canít take risks with him unlike his counterpart Cena. Theyíve turned him heel many times. Given the rumoured Mania card, it seems very unlikely that he finds a spot on the card other than the battle royal, which seems crazy given heís Randy Orton and heís a first ballot hall of famer.

Itís quite possible he teams with Shane to fight Kevin and Sami, which will most likely be the case if WWE doesnít clear Bryan.

If he does turn heel again to fight Nakamura, what happens at Mania? Roode needs a opponent. Hopefully some elements are added to his character to make it different then whatís come before. Thatís really an overall WWE issue; the stagnation of the rarely ever evolving character.

They should take a risk with Orton, because thereís really nothing that they have to lose. Heís not soley depended on as a draw, heís pushing 40 and heís a big name. Iím not suggesting they change his name or anything ludicrous, but thereís more he could be doing. Heís a guy who could recover form a misstep, but will fade into the background if he stays the same.

Heís never been a US champ, heís been a tag champ but generally just to further singles feuds. Iíve always wanted to see Orton and Cena have a tag title run, but this isnít the time.

The best use of Orton at Mania is putting over young talent. Bobby Roode is 3 years older than Randy, but his WWE career is comparatively.

Randy Orton is 37. Heís younger than Sheamus who debuted 7 years after him. Why not do something interesting with Orton? Sheamus has reinvented himself as a tag specialists in The Bar, why not do something interesting with Randy?
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Old 02-06-2018, 12:35 AM
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This idea sounds wonderful on paper but there's one big problem. I don't think it has longevity. So Orton is going to be a heel, the Future Killer, going after young guys. But in order for the gimmick to become legit, Orton needs to find some young guys to beat. So in reality what you have here, is Randy Orton becoming something like Brock Lesnar, an unbeatable heel. Because, the gimmick needs to have some strength behind it, right? He needs victories.

And here's the problem. He's just going to beat fresh talent and talent that you are looking at to become the future main eventers.

And then, all of that will end until the big young babyface emerge. The one that will beat Orton and end this future killer gimmick.

So in reality, all of this, benefits one guy, the guy that will beat Randy or to put it better, the guy that Orton will be unable to defeat.

However it's a great idea that could provide some interesting TV and I think can lost easily at least 6 months and maybe if they book it nicely.. a full year. But that's about it.
It needs some long term booking, as you need to find the sacrificial lambs, those who will lose to Orton and of course the chosen one, who will finally beat the Future Killer.
The only distinction I'd make form Brock Lesnar is that Lesnar is THE main event, meaning he's always on last and feuding with the top, top guys. Guys like Joe and Braun were built well, and Lesnar is a bit of a roadblock to their momentum because he has to win. For the record, I'm a Brock Lesnar fan and I don't think this is that big a problem if it's done intelligently.

Orton has the advantage in that he'd be at the IC Championship level. I completely agree with you, for the Future Killer gimmick to really get over, he's going to need to beat some guys. A lot of guys. So did Cena when he was US Champion in the midcard, you need to get the idea and the title run over. But the thing is, you have more options for opponents. Orton could go up against guys like Johnny Gargano or Roderick Strong. Guys that the fans can get behind and will put on a good match, but that can afford to sustain a loss. They have potential and they're fresh faces, but they can lose and it's fine. It won't really hurt them. Even Andrade Almas, Adam Cole, or EC3 could get away with losing to Orton in a competitive match.

I also agree that the Future Killer gimmick wouldn't last forever, but keep in mind that when Orton was The Legend Killer it wasn't as if every feud was against some old legend. So he can still feud with other wrestlers on his level from time to time, in between targetting the young guys. And furthermore I don't think it's a problem to have an expiaration date on a story. Stories need to end. The audience needs closure. Have Orton run through young guys for a year, then get beat by someone you really want to push. It's a satisfying conclusion and accomplishes something going forward. Then move on to something new.
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