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Old 06-17-2017, 11:58 AM
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Sending Bayley back is a bad idea... it shows that they failed but that she is carrying the can for that failiure. The only times that has ever worked in the past were with Henry and Big Show and both times they legit needed the seasoning/their attitudes adjusting... but more importantly they were on $1m a year 10 year deals... so a year out of that time in developmental vs what they got back was a fair risk.

Bayley doesn't have an attitude problem OR need seasoning... she needs to be used better in a crowded division where others seem to be the focus. She found a niche with her gimmick and perhaps was told not to bother learning others as "that's what we're gonna make you a star with" and if so, WWE did her a disservice.

I think the best way, rather than NXT is to put her in the Mae Young Classic and have her go pretty much all the way... I am sure one of the new Japanese women will win it... but if she can go to the semis and "hang" with them, then that reboots Bayley as a more serious competitor.

Oh and BTW in my previous post I meant to type NOT Gay... bad typo to make.
Tyson Kidd and Emma also got sent down to NXT after their main roster runs flopped. They didn't have attitude problems or needed seasoning, they just needed something to do and this was the 'something' that they needed. This ended up saving their careers and for a while Tyson was even a tag champ with Cesaro.

I don't know if WWE are planning to put in any of their females in this tournament though, I mean; if they were it would be nice, but it probably wouldn't be all that fair either.
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Old 06-18-2017, 02:24 AM
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There's always been an element of punishment to sending someone back to developmental... In Show's case he had put on too much weight and was smoking, something Vince is known to abhor... Henry was too green and while he hadn't done too much wrong in the ring, he'd hurt a couple of people.

Tyson and Emma didn't NEED it it's true that Tyson's case his run had been botched and they simply couldn't reboot him on the main roster... at that time sad as it sounds, he was more valuable beside Nattie on Total Divas and Trips managed to turn it into a R.A type role for the male NXT talent, perhaps to appease Tyson but more likely because he recognized it was a shit sandwich and that any problems attitude wise were likely with Nattie (they're there...she's gotten a lot of leeway over the years) but punishing her would cause heat with The Harts...

Let's face it, Tyson's return wasn't spectacularly successful, the team with Cesaro was working but most of it was on Cesaro's popularity rather than Tyson doing anything "better" than he had in the past and it was on the knife edge of being "just another thrown together team OR something very special" when he got hurt... all that really changed in NXT was buying a pair of Beats...

In Emma's case there was an element of punishment still for her shoplifting transgression to it, along with the fact they had botched her gimmick completely on the main roster. How anyone ever thought that dance/music would work is beyond me but...remember she was also dating Zack Ryder at the time, another person who has often had the short end of the company's dealings so all of it could have been as much based on that as her own cock up...

If you don't remember, they DID fire her, only for WalMart's CEO to insist Vince to rehire her... that was a lot of public embarrassment for the company and Vince personally who NEVER makes public climbdowns. Much of the stink had been that they had a deal to sell merch in Walmart with Cena at the focal point... so for Vince to be in that position was something Emma has paid for for a long time... only now could you probably say she MIGHT be free from it... but even then, one mistake and boom, it's back.

She was lucky to get the chance to go back to NXT at all... but again, more likely than not there was a chance for Trips to spin it to not make it seem like a punishment.

Like Kidd, she didn't really change too much up, but she showed her work ethic again which helped heal the rifts...what happened when they return her? Emmalina debacle... so yeah, history repeats

Neither needed the return but it was convenient for them and the company and as much a political thing as for their benefit.

Bayley absoulutely DOESN'T need that... it would be admitting they don't know what to do with her and would damage her as a worker. If they REALLY can't turn her around, they're better to let her go out "on loan" to Japan for a year than send her back to NXT.
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I wouldn't call Bayley the MOST disappointing wrestler of 2017 though even I, as a fan of her NXT work, have been disappointed by her run on the main roster so far. I do not blame Bayley herself whatsoever. From the looks of it she is trying to stay true to herself and what she believes in. The interview segment she had with Graves showed this. If there are genuine offscreen conflicts coming from her wanting to legitimately portray herself, then I commend her for standing on that ground. The problem is with the creative team. They should have pushed her as more of an underdog. The feud with Charlotte was botched big time. Charlotte's PPV streak was hyped up ridiculously, only for Bayley to end it at a bottom tier PPV that no one cares about, Fastlane. The show that only exists for the purpose of throwing together a card a few weeks before Wrestlemania. They could instead have had her end the streak at, oh I dunno, Wrestlemania!? Big title win moment, and she would then still lose the title to Alexa. She would be in a better place. She has been handled poorly and a demotion to NXT would only make things worse. I think a feud with a heel Sasha as well as a long-term road to redemption storyline against Alexa would do wonders for her. In fact, have Alexa stay Raw Women's Champion until Wrestlemania 34. Then re-do the Bayley VS Alexa feud for the title at the biggest show of them all. Best case scenario. Either that or switching her over to Smackdown since Raw's creative team has no idea how to book her. Or maybe they continue doing what they are doing and she fades into obscurity, which is what no one would want to see happen.
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Old 06-20-2017, 12:18 AM
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And here we are.

Bayler came in as one of very few wrestlers that was an actual babyface, that could deliver underdog babyface fire in a convincing and believable way. Fans bought in and fans were behind her.

A few months later, and she's fucked. It's actually amazing.

I know we're now technically in an era where good/bad booking is completely irrelevant given the WWE Network business model, but Jesus Christ this was like a clinic on how to kill a hot babyface.

She wins the belt randomly on a Raw then ends Charlotte's PPV streak on a random show with no hype, a month beofre WrestleMania. Then she loses the title in her hometown, which accomplishes nothing, despite what others may try to tell you. A hometown loss doesn't generate heat anywhere outside of the building that night. So it's heat you can't actually use and it just disappoints your paying customers. People outside of San Jose aren't getting mad at Alexa Bliss for beating Bayley in San Jose. The only people who cared were IN the arena. Unless the next PPV is ALSO in San Jose, losing in her hometown accomplished nothing in terms of heat.

Then she gets bullied and picked on, which is fine since Alexa is a heel, but she doesn't stand up for herself at all and is made to look pathetic. People aren't going to get behind that. She was also made to seem incredibly fucking lame with the suggestion that she's never "kissed a boy" or whatever. Her fans are little girls, that doesn't mean she has to be. It's silly and insulting to the intelligence of the audience. And again, it doesn't build "sympathy" it just makes her lame. Don't believe me? Over 50% of the crowd at Extreme Rules was cheering for the bully heel Alexa Bliss. Mission accomplished you fucking idiots.

Then when Bayley gets the kendo stick and finally gets a chance at payback against the bitch who's been trashing her, BAYLEY DOESN'T HAVE THE BALLS TO HIT HER WITH IT. That is a complete castration of a babyface (work with me here). HOW can she get any more lame and pathetic? Who could possibly still cheer for a person like that? It's a terrible way to book a heroic pro wrestler. Losing the kendo stick match to Alexa is fine, but she absolutely needed to get some manner of revenge by beating the shit out of Alexa with the cane.

At some point it's up to a wrestler to say "that doesn't work for me brother." Bayley needs to start standing up for the integrity of her own character. It would also help if the people in charge of her career weren't morons.
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Here something that I just realise after watching the 5 way match at no mercy, bayley only had one non title match on ppv since her official debut on the main roster last year. Sure you could count her tag team match she had a battkeground 2016 as a non title match on the main roster but she was still on the nxt roster at the pont so I don't count it. The only non title match she had was the traditional survivor series match at last year's survivor series outside of that it was pretty much all title matches.

That's the problem I thing the women's on the raw rosters have, it's that they are overexposed. Last year you the focus was on sasha and charlotte while everybody else was in a holding pattern then they switch to bayley and charlotte and nia jax and sasha. Finally charlotte went to smackdown and alexa took her place and was part of the core four womens that we're focus on while everybody else is on a holding pattern.

I think that's the problem with not just bayley but mist of the raw rostr, they either get all the tv time or not at all, those that get all the tv time lose all the luster they had in nxt and those that get no tv time can't get over.

I think if you want to recapture what they had with bayley, take her off tv for a while and don't put so much focus on her just like they did in nxt.
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Bayley is a perfect example of how to ruin a potential star. You know how? Just get rid of the most powerful weapon from the arsenal. The arsenal doesn't look good anymore. Bayley is a perfect underdog and we all know how she was booked on main roster. You can't blame the talent once you give them nothing to work with and get rid of their strengths.
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Bayley is a perfect example of how to ruin a potential star. You know how? Just get rid of the most powerful weapon from the arsenal. The arsenal doesn't look good anymore. Bayley is a perfect underdog and we all know how she was booked on main roster. You can't blame the talent once you give them nothing to work with and get rid of their strengths.
I said that as soon as she won the title, she would lose everything that would make fans care about her. That moment happening at Summerslam this year at the earliest would have gotten the fans invested in an underdog Bayley, but creative blew their wad on a random episode of Raw.
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But at the same time, if a talent is over exposed and is given title shot after title shot, not matter what you do with a character, fans will turn on that said character. That'S what happened with BAyley and to a point Sasha banks. They could have done everything right and it wouldn'T have change anything, fans would have stop to care about them anyway.
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