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Old 09-22-2017, 01:20 AM
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Just admit it. The only good thing that came out from Jinder as the WWE champ is that we got Nakamura vs Cena and Nakamura vs Orton on free TV.

I don't have anything against Vince's pet projects. Strowman is Vince's pet project as well. So was Cesaro. Jinder just doesn't work and shouldn't be in the position he's in. Why wasn't Cesaro ever given a chance like that? He's a foreigner, too. Oh wait, Switzerland doesn't draw or maybe Cesaro isn't brown enough to be a foreign heel.
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:26 AM
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Just admit it. The only good thing that came out from Jinder as the WWE champ is that we got Nakamura vs Cena and Nakamura vs Orton on free TV.

I don't have anything against Vince's pet projects. Strowman is Vince's pet project as well. So was Cesaro. Jinder just doesn't work and shouldn't be in the position he's in. Why wasn't Cesaro ever given a chance like that? He's a foreigner, too. Oh wait, Switzerland doesn't draw or maybe Cesaro isn't brown enough to be a foreign heel.
Exactly.

When Jinder Mahal won the title, some people said that he paid his dues. And such things. However, he didn't. I can't think of a single good performance from Jinder Mahal, be it at mic or in the ring, to justify this too forced push. At least, Cesaro has performed well enough to get a push that would be well deserved!
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:40 AM
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Exactly.

When Jinder Mahal won the title, some people said that he paid his dues. And such things. However, he didn't. I can't think of a single good performance from Jinder Mahal, be it at mic or in the ring, to justify this too forced push. At least, Cesaro has performed well enough to get a push that would be well deserved!
And that's not even the worse thing that happened. So Cena becomes a 16 time world champ. All that ends with Bray Wyatt winning the championship. People say "Nice! It doesn't matter, at least Bray can have the run he deserves". WWE says "NOPE, it's 14-time world champ Randy Orton!". Oh okay WWE, Orton deserved all that for having Lesnar kill him at Summerslam, now we can see great matches and feuds like Orton vs Owens and Orton vs Styles and Orton vs Corbin for the belt. "NOPE" says WWE. "IT'S JINDER MAHAL".

In my eyes, Cena, Wyatt and Orton got sacrifced for Jinder's run. Orton lost 3 times. THREE. And now we're getting that attrocious Rusev feud. Why couldn't they stick to the plan? Wyatt wins at Mania, Orton wins at the next PPV. Wyatt goes to RAW. Orton faces Rusev, Orton faces Corbin. What's that? Oh it's Orton vs Nakamura for Summerslam! Or maybe it's Orton vs Styles vs Owens and Nakamura vs Cena. Or Orton vs Zayn, or Styles.
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:23 AM
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The channel changing title reign of Jinder Mahal is a complete and utter failure, the guy is drawing Impact size crowds. The WWE Championship means jack shit sitting around that jobbers waist.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:40 AM
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Sad to read all theses negatives comment about jinder, while I think that his character is becoming repetitive, he could say the same thing from prety much everybody that was put in the same position on the roster.

The way he's getting push reminds me of seth rrollins and kevin owens push when they we're wwe and universal champion respectively. He's a typical cowardly heel with sidekick that help them retain and given the situation, he does a pretty good job at it. He took the opportunity and ran with it but I think that the IWC still sees him as the jobber he was and don't want to except him as a main event or even a upper card player.

Somebody brought up bray wyatt getting sacrifice for jinder's push. Let's face it, if they would have put wyatt in jinder's place or even rusev, thhey wouldn't have done better because they would have been booked the same way as Jinder. The problem isn't jinder, it's how they booked they're heel characters. They are stuck in the same cookie cutter roles and it hurts them more then help them in the end.

The fact is jinder is a pretty good heel and he's getting good heel heat even with the lack of crowd which is normal this time of the year anyway.
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Old 09-23-2017, 01:59 AM
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Sad to read all theses negatives comment about jinder, while I think that his character is becoming repetitive, he could say the same thing from prety much everybody that was put in the same position on the roster.

The way he's getting push reminds me of seth rrollins and kevin owens push when they we're wwe and universal champion respectively. He's a typical cowardly heel with sidekick that help them retain and given the situation, he does a pretty good job at it. He took the opportunity and ran with it but I think that the IWC still sees him as the jobber he was and don't want to except him as a main event or even a upper card player.

Somebody brought up bray wyatt getting sacrifice for jinder's push. Let's face it, if they would have put wyatt in jinder's place or even rusev, thhey wouldn't have done better because they would have been booked the same way as Jinder. The problem isn't jinder, it's how they booked they're heel characters. They are stuck in the same cookie cutter roles and it hurts them more then help them in the end.

The fact is jinder is a pretty good heel and he's getting good heel heat even with the lack of crowd which is normal this time of the year anyway.
Comparing Jinder to a guy like Kevin Owen. Hahaha!!!
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Old 09-23-2017, 04:00 AM
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Sad to read all theses negatives comment about jinder, while I think that his character is becoming repetitive, he could say the same thing from prety much everybody that was put in the same position on the roster.

The way he's getting push reminds me of seth rrollins and kevin owens push when they we're wwe and universal champion respectively. He's a typical cowardly heel with sidekick that help them retain and given the situation, he does a pretty good job at it. He took the opportunity and ran with it but I think that the IWC still sees him as the jobber he was and don't want to except him as a main event or even a upper card player.

Somebody brought up bray wyatt getting sacrifice for jinder's push. Let's face it, if they would have put wyatt in jinder's place or even rusev, thhey wouldn't have done better because they would have been booked the same way as Jinder. The problem isn't jinder, it's how they booked they're heel characters. They are stuck in the same cookie cutter roles and it hurts them more then help them in the end.

The fact is jinder is a pretty good heel and he's getting good heel heat even with the lack of crowd which is normal this time of the year anyway.
Jinder gets good heat? Na, nobody gives a rats ass, the crow was dead quiet until the "that's too far" chants. The difference between Owens, Rollins and Jinder is nobody wanted to change the channel when Owens or the earlier reign of Rollins was on tv and neither one got dropped by an outside star at the biggest show of the year. Jinder with the title means nothing except India.
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I don't think what they're doing is stupid at all. It's opening a new door into the Indian market, which has potential to be one of their biggest. Yeah, the TV isn't as riveting as I would like it to be, but I think in the long run, the revenue and business this does for WWE as a company will be a fantastic thing.
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I can't wait to see who WWE is going to put the belt on when they try to get Ethiopia subscribers to The Network.
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If Jinder becoming WWE Champion really was WWE's way of trying to break into the Indian market then I agree it's a pretty misguided and yeah, somewhat stupid idea.

They could do a lot better to break into that market by recruiting a great young Indian-born talent to be and up-and-comer in WWE and then start touring to India giving him a chance to be showcased. If kayfabe is pretty strong over there then a young, hotshot babyface Indian should do well to increase fan interest in that country.

I don't think heel Jinder really gets that much heat because he isn't really that much of a heel. Before he became champ he was a jobber and no one thought he had any intensity or credibility. Then he shoots to the top and wins. Okay. But if that's the case, then I think you got to invest in him even MORE to show how intense, ruthless and cunning he is in order to sell him better as a top heel champ.

Boring "my country is better than your country" promos are not very helpful if there isn't more substance to why fans should really care.

If he's supposed to be this big, rich, cunning heel champ then he should be VERY ruthless. A bit of a combination between Million Dollar Man and Cerebral Assassin. It should be played up even more. He could (kayfabe of course) buy off the arena security, then viciously assault his challenger and when it looks like security is going to come down to stop him they just stand and watch and if any WWE wrestlers run in from the back to try and save the challenger the security will swarm them. Just ONE example but it's something BIG that should happen nearly every week RIGHT from the beginning when he won because he has SO LITTLE credibility and character before becoming champ he needs so much MORE scenarios and examples of why he should be despised.

And no, I don't think this should help Indian fans LIKE Mahal and watch WWE because of it but maybe they would tune in more because they hate how disgraceful he is making Indian people look and they want to see him get put in this place. THAT is what the job of a top heel is - to make you WANT to see them get beat.


Now, what Mahal said about Nakamura's accent is one of those grey areas. Pro wrestling promos are supposed to get a reaction out of people. That's the point. There is a line somewhere of what is over the line and what is alright, and in between there is a grey area.

I think WWE is in a tough spot because they have kind of marketed themselves as this kid/family friendly product (with discretion warnings) but they are publically traded. They are NOT going to Attitude Era tactics in terms of trying to be controversial because it's all they can do to keep winning the ratings war. They don't have to be controversial but they also don't have as strong of a following anymore so I think they just try things once in a while to see if it'll help viewership.
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