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Old 08-26-2017, 09:46 AM
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Better men than Corbin deserved to be world champions before Corbin and Mahal and they never their shot. Men like Barrett, Rhodes, Cesaro. Even Del Rio and Rusev are better than Corbin. I never got what the fuck they saw in Baron Corbin and decided to push him to the moon like that. He's midcard for life.

In a roster where you have Balor, Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, Joe, Styles, Orton, Wyatt, Nakamura, Roode, the Hardys and maybe Cesaro, Rusev and so many others, having Jinder Mahal as your freaking champion is a wrestling crime on its own that is somewhat acceptable. But having freaking Baron Corbin waiting to become the next champ, I'm sorry, that is unacceptable.

Nakamura, like I always said, would have been the best winner. Him or Owens. Nak would have won and cash in his chance at Summerslam like a good lad.

They're handing titles and opportunities to everybody and at the end the real stars lose their value because the entire roster becomes one big basket. WWE needs to sit down and say "These are my main eventers for the upcoming year, these are my upper midcarders with a few potential break out stars and these are my midcarders". You can't have everyone in one big basket. There's no star weight in their divisions.
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Old 08-28-2017, 12:16 PM
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What's wrong with Corbin defending himself on Twitter against Dave Melzter's comments?

Meltzer doesn't put his body and livelihood on the line each night. He isn't the one having to entertain a fickle audience, who will drop you at a moment's notice, or wrestling opponents, who may drop you by screwing up a move, and possibly putting you in a wheelchair for the rest of your life.

No, Meltzer sits at his cosy desk, trolling on his computer. He is a leech who hates wrestling, but then makes money off it, by constantly writing negative commentary. He thinks that he knows better how many people were at Wrestlemania 3 than those who counted the tickets at the gate on the night. If 93,173 attended WM3, who is he to question it, unless he can provide iron-clad proof that WWE made up the figure, and not based on because "they can't fit that many at a football game".

I find Corbin somewhat boring, but I am also paying at the gate. Meltzer uses his press accreditation to get him through the gate, so he is not paying to even see the shows.

Someone like Meltzer, and many people here, should actually be in awe of these guys and girls, and how they work hard to put on a show, and risk their bodies, most nights, instead of the self-entitled bitchy whining which often goes on with trolls like Meltzer.

Besides, it is unprofessional of Meltzer to indulge Corbin on Twitter. He is meant to be professional, and allow the subject of his articles the right to defend themselves, instead of baiting them. He should write his article, and then be able to defend it, just like Corbin has the right to disagree with him.

Most of you love Meltzer because he does what a lot of you do here: troll about wrestling, and hate on the product, while claiming to love it. This is evident by the fact that Meltzer is often wrong about what he predicts will happen, yet you still believe him next time around, instead of being sceptical and dismissing him a long time ago as someone who doesn't have a clue what they are writing.
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Old 08-28-2017, 12:24 PM
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Better men than Corbin deserved to be world champions before Corbin and Mahal and they never their shot. Men like Barrett, Rhodes, Cesaro. Even Del Rio and Rusev are better than Corbin. I never got what the fuck they saw in Baron Corbin and decided to push him to the moon like that. He's midcard for life.

In a roster where you have Balor, Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, Joe, Styles, Orton, Wyatt, Nakamura, Roode, the Hardys and maybe Cesaro, Rusev and so many others, having Jinder Mahal as your freaking champion is a wrestling crime on its own that is somewhat acceptable. But having freaking Baron Corbin waiting to become the next champ, I'm sorry, that is unacceptable.

Nakamura, like I always said, would have been the best winner. Him or Owens. Nak would have won and cash in his chance at Summerslam like a good lad.

They're handing titles and opportunities to everybody and at the end the real stars lose their value because the entire roster becomes one big basket. WWE needs to sit down and say "These are my main eventers for the upcoming year, these are my upper midcarders with a few potential break out stars and these are my midcarders". You can't have everyone in one big basket. There's no star weight in their divisions.
You say that Corbin doesn't deserve to be champion, and neither does Jinder.

I agree, until you include "Shtistain" Nakamura in the group who should win it.

"Shitstain" isn't ready. He is a skinny dude, who has a big mouthguard and cool entrance. If he hadn't been on NXT, you wouldn't all cheer him. People won't say anything critical about him, lest they termed as "racist" (like I will for daring to criticise him).

Give Nakamura the U.S. Title first. See how he does as champion, before giving him the keys to the main event washroom. If he is meant to be champion one day, then why rush it? A true champion will still make a great champion down the rtrack. Austin and Rock had to work their way up the pecking order, and proved their worth. If Corbin Bernsen, Shitstain or Jinder, or even Finn Balor on RAW, deserve to be champion, build them first, and see if they can sustain it long-term.

Personally, they should have switched the title programs, and Jinder, Nakamura and Corbin should be competing for the U.S. belt, while Styles and Owens should have been fighting over the WWE Title, since they are two guys who have proven that they can take the next step, not just be handed a title opportunity the first night in the door.
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Old 08-28-2017, 04:32 PM
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I don't know if Corbin has heat backstage or not, I'm leaning more towards no because talk of Corbin having heat has died almost as quickly as it started. I've no problem with WWE not having him successfully cash in as I think it's time that successful cash ins don't happen as often as they used to; the concept has been around long enough and has been firmly established that winning MITB doesn't necessarily need to be an almost guarantee of becoming champion. As others have stated, Corbin wasn't ready anyhow and, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I buy into all the stories of how high some officials ever were on him; allegedly, they were even higher on Corbin than Braun Strowman and I have a tough time believing that considering how far Strowman has come, how over he is and how much he continues to improve.

Personally, I don't think Corbin's all that special as far as a main event level guy goes. I'm of the opinion he brings a lot more to the table than Jinder Mahal, but Corbin's overall abilities strike me very much as someone who should be a contender for a mid-card title. For instance, it looks like Corbin may be Styles' next opponent for the United States Championship and this presents a good opportunity for Corbin to prove himself in a program with a world class competitor and come out looking better than when he went in. Personally, I don't want to see him beat Styles for the title as the title needs stability after being passed around so much this year but this program could be a strong step in the right direction for Corbin. I don't know if he'll ever convince me that he's a main eventer, I won't close my mind to the possibility but I firmly believe he's not there yet.

As far as Dave Meltzer's comments go, of course he's not a fan of Corbin. Corbin's not an indie darling nor does he work for New Japan and you usually have to be one or the other these days in order for Meltzer to feel you've earned the honor of getting a whiff of the stink off his ass.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:56 PM
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"Shitstain" isn't ready. He is a skinny dude, who has a big mouthguard and cool entrance. If he hadn't been on NXT, you wouldn't all cheer him. People won't say anything critical about him, lest they termed as "racist" (like I will for daring to criticise him).
What the heck is your problem!? If you don't like Nakamura then you're entitled to that opinion. However, your comments in your post are 100% uncalled for. What if someone called you "Sh*tstain Henderson"? Would you like that? There is no need to call Nakamura what you called him. Seriously. We already knew you had an unhealthy hatred of Daniel Bryan, Stone Cold, and NXT. Now we can add Shinsuke Nakamura to that list of things you have an unhealthy hatred of. You hate three of the greatest wrestlers ever, you detest the most consistent brand WWE has ever had, you've freaked out on other posters who simply were being aware of the fact that Bray Wyatt is fat, and you whine very rudely about someone who is skinny getting a big push. Do you even like wrestling? Either you're a troll or an idiot. No one can be this stupid. If you're not trolling then you need to stop being so rude all the time.

As for the actual topic.... If the reports about his behavior are true then Baron Corbin did indeed screw Baron Corbin. I never liked the guy much personally. He was pushed way too soon and he wasn't ready. He should have stayed in NXT longer or at the very least gone through the US Championship first. The way his cash-in failure was done and the loss to Cena that followed only add more to the theory that he made the wrong people angry. Maybe he should have been less arrogant, but people make mistakes. I don't see him recovering from this.
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You say about Daniel Bryan being pushed due to hype. Well of course you would give said person a chance if all of the people ​in your audience is voicing their opinion. WWE took a chance and it worked.

Steve Austin's alleged wife beating preventing programs with Brock Lesnar? Vince wanted to have that match on Raw; Stone Cold felt like it was worthy of being on pay per view.

As for Nakamura, and talent in general, it seems like creative's modus operandi is sink or swim. Basically, instead of organically building contenders who a crowd can believe is capable of winning (or at least being a serious threat to win) the championship, they provide a launching pad, a helmet and a jetpack but no parachute in case things go left. In any event, Baron Corbin has time to right himself. Nakamura won't falter quite as easily as some folks say he will. If he were, he wouldn't be here.

Now I'm done.
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You say about Daniel Bryan being pushed due to hype. Well of course you would give said person a chance if all of the people ​in your audience is voicing their opinion. WWE took a chance and it worked.

Steve Austin's alleged wife beating preventing programs with Brock Lesnar? Vince wanted to have that match on Raw; Stone Cold felt like it was worthy of being on pay per view.

As for Nakamura, and talent in general, it seems like creative's modus operandi is sink or swim. Basically, instead of organically building contenders who a crowd can believe is capable of winning (or at least being a serious threat to win) the championship, they provide a launching pad, a helmet and a jetpack but no parachute in case things go left. In any event, Baron Corbin has time to right himself. Nakamura won't falter quite as easily as some folks say he will. If he were, he wouldn't be here.

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Bryan was over with the crowd. But I think that the fans got too carried away, and it got to dangerous levels. They hijacked the RAW after WM30, and Vince changed the main event of WM30 because of it.

I didn't have a problem with Bryan being champion (in fact, he was champion on SD before). But I felt that it would have been better to have Bryan naturally progress to the main event.

I just felt that his shot came out of nowhere, rather than have his feud with Triple H build toward it. People mistakenly thought that he was deliberately kept out of the Rumble (when WWE never announced him in the Rumble match, he had a match earlier in the night with Wyatt, and that year, no-one from any of the other matches did double-duty in the Rumble). The fans expected something that was never promised, because they got in their heads that Bryan should be in and win it. Show me any evidence that Bryan was to be in the Rumble and then withdrawn later.

I think WWE made the best of it, and worked around it, bringing an end to the Bryan-Triple H feud (which I enjoyed). I am even disappointed that Bryan got injured, and never got to show what he could do (but maybe that explains WWE's reluctance to give him the title, as they may have had medical advice that Bryan's style and body may not stand up to the rigors of a long-term main event program).

That is the problem I have with Bryan's body. He got injured easier, whereas if he had more muscle, he might have sustained some of the blows easily. Maybe, maybe not, but it didn't help, combined with his beliefs in natural therapy rather than surgery when needed.

I think the fans demanding and getting their wish about Bryan's "moment" at Wrestlemania is fine, provided that they don't expect it all the time, and realise that the tail doesn't wag the dog. Vince McMahon must book what will make the most money, and that doesn't always align with what the fans want.

I agree with Austin about the Brock program. It should have had build, it should have been on PPV (and maybe even two or three PPVs). I have since read that another reason Austin didn't want to do it is because he feared that Brock, with his careless wrestling style, could drop Austin on his neck again. Austin was very protective of his neck (which is understandable), and picked and chose who he fought partly based on how they would protect him in the ring (I read that Austin liked fighting the Rock at WM because Austin considered the Rock the safest worker and knew that he would not injure him carelessly).

My issue was how Austin voiced his protest- by walking out. He had other options, suggest another opponent, talk to Vince about it, refuse to do the match with Brock, but still show up (what is Vince going to do, fire his biggest meal ticket). By walking out, Austin deprived his fans of seeing him, and people who bought tickets in advance to see him, were denied seeing him perform. I felt that he owed his fans better for their years of support, and he could have voiced his protest in other ways. Hell, he once walked out an hour before Raw one night, changing up the show completely, and those who bought tickets to see him were robbed of the experience. Even Austin has since conceded on his podcast that he was stubborn back then, and regrets dealing with it that way (Austin also has said that he regretted hitting Debra, and took responsibility for his actions. However, I feel that his actions could never be justified, and that it sullies his reputation, and people should maybe not hype him as much as a result).

I actually don't hate any wrestler. All put their bodies on the line each night, and deserve respect because of it. I do have favourites, as anyone does, and if I feel disappointed with a wrestler's actions, push or storyline, I will say so. This forum allows me to do that. Disagree if you will, as is your right. But allow me the grace to praise or criticise at will, even if it is one of your favourites I am criticising.
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