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Old 08-19-2017, 07:39 AM
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No because while they see themselves as entertainment, the rest of the world see them as a combat sport. Plus you still have that class action lawsuit against them so if they let Bryan pass a test like that just because they don't see themselves as a sport then it's ammunition against them.
Problem here is they are using two sets of Standards when they see fit. They want to be called entertainment when it suits them and yet they want to be called sports when it comes to things like in this issue and other things.

Thing is thought DB did pass the tests it's just the WWE doctor, who may or may not have ultierer motives, and the NYC test which apparently exaggerated DB's result.

In any event if WWE can allow Foley to continue for 2 more years after KOTR 98, I don't see why they can't let DB wrestle part time?
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Old 08-19-2017, 08:12 AM
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Problem here is they are using two sets of Standards when they see fit. They want to be called entertainment when it suits them and yet they want to be called sports when it comes to things like in this issue and other things.

Thing is thought DB did pass the tests it's just the WWE doctor, who may or may not have ultierer motives, and the NYC test which apparently exaggerated DB's result.

In any event if WWE can allow Foley to continue for 2 more years after KOTR 98, I don't see why they can't let DB wrestle part time?
Because we didn't know nearly what we know about head injuries in '98 that we know now. It used to be that you suffered a concussion in, say the NFL, you sat out a couple plays until your vision stopped being double, then you went back in. Look at where that has gotten them today. Countless suicides, guys with severe memory loss and physical pain. Guys have come out and said they regret playing because of the state they are in.

With all the news and lawsuits on concussions, it would be stupid for WWE to allow a guy with the concussion and head injury history that Bryan has had. WWE don't want another Benoit type situation on their hands. I'm not saying that Bryan is going to kill his family, I'm saying if they cleared him given his history and he hurt himself again, they would be demonized.

Bryan has admitted to lying about his injuries and trying to cover up concussions, they can't trust him. They have no choice but to handle this the way they have.

If you think it's some conspiracy and WWE is purposely screwing Bryan, that's on you.
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Old 08-19-2017, 08:37 AM
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Whenever discussions regarding Bryan's concussion issues come up, I sometimes go back to thinking about his exchange with Miz during the early days of Talking Smack. While the idea may have been to make Miz look bad as a heel by calling him a coward, a guy who's afraid to get hit, I found myself agreeing with Miz's statements as he's someone who's worked smart. While Miz's style isn't as visually spectacular or stiff looking as Bryan's, or a good many modern guys, Miz also doesn't have a body full of scar tissue, a surgically repaired neck, knees, elbows or hips or cranial trauma. I respect Bryan's passion, but he was reckless when it came to his own body too often and it eventually caught up with him, Bryan himself said that he had 3 concussions the first 6 months of his career.
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It's old news DBry teasing wrestling and not wrestling. If this is another case of the Bryans working it really has no pay off if he doesn't wrestle.
As long as he hints or says that he will wrestle again, people will continue to ask him when he is going to wrestle again. You make more money while people are interested in you versus when they are not.

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I should say that I am against the man wrestling if he doesn't learn from his mistakes and isn't 100%. It will be insane if he has the same schedule and works the same style. If he preserved as a talent and used in PPVs like the other GM Angle..fine!

Otherwise it's just suicide ffs.
I don't know about 100% but I get your point.
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Old 08-19-2017, 01:34 PM
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Like others have said, I personally don't want to see Bryan get hurt. The fan in me obviously would love to see him back in action in the ring. There's plenty of guys he could have great matches with on both Raw and Smackdown. However, he is a human being. He's had severe injuries that I would hate to see worsened. Look no further than how quickly he re-injured himself last time. It's simply not worth it. I would rather see him continue being Smackdown's General Manager. He has it really good right now. Gets to be a voice for the people supporting the face characters onscreen, gets to be a part of major events for the WWE, and can support his family in the process. All without the risk of an even more serious injury. He had his moment at Wrestlemania 30. Nothing will EVER top that for him. It's best for him to be a General Manager, husband, and father in this season of life instead.
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Old 08-20-2017, 12:19 AM
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Foley and Austin aren't vegetables on a wheelchair and they both probably had miles just as hard or even harder than Daniel Bryan.
Sigh. NOT ALL CONCUSSIONS ARE THE SAME. Foley has stated that he does have a lot of problems. You could have 100 and be fine or you could have 1 and be a vegetable. It all depends.

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Something tells me WWE is being a lot more cautious than any other doctor or practice. Isn't the doctor for WWE's concussion testing the same one depicted in the Will Smith film Concussion. Something tells me that movie might has something to do with him being extra careful with clearing people.
Weird, you'd think this would be applauded. Christian and Graves both had to retire so this isn't something fishy.

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Listen every doctor has said he was ok except wwe's. When Kurt Angle left wwe in 2006 everyone said he shouldn't wrestle because he'd end up in a wheelchair. 11 years later he is walking fine. If Bryan wants to wrestle after he is free from wwe, then I say power to him. Besides I miss the American Dragon Bryan Danielson.
Kurt was going to basically die because of his drug abuse. Situations aren't comparable at all. Concussions are still not fully understood so it would make sense that doctors disagree on this.

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Lol where are the people that said Brie would convince Bryan not to wrestle cause of their kid. The way I see it is this, if Bryan legitimately has as bad as brain issues as people say it is than 1) no doctor will even consider clearing him and 2) Brie wouldn't encourage him to go against wwe and risk his life.
Again, concussions are not fully understood so it would make sense that there would be a difference of opinion. She is probably tired of fighting him and sees how much it hurts him not to wrestle. So I think she is saying this more out of a fine you win instead of you're 100% healthy.

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LOL. Yeah Bryan being gone helped Reigns so much. I mean no way they could have put Bryan in the undercard or would have eventually changed their minds on Bryan being under Reigns. No way for the two to exist at once...except that one time they did....and they faced each other...and everything worked out fine...and no one chanted for Bryan during Reigns vs Lesnar...

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I hope against all hope that Bryan and the WWE both vehemently stick to their guns; leading to Bryan's exit from the company after his contract expires, and opening the door for him to enter New Japan Pro Wrestling as an active roster member.
I hope he turns into Benoit as well. Cause fuck safety and health. I NEED SUM 6 STAR MATCHES DAMMIT.

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Apparently the Concussion testing DB failed was based on the standards you put to a MMA fighter.

Thing is WWE doesn't see themselves as a sport but entertainment so shouldn't DB pass based on the latter standards.
They pass themselves off as entertainment because of taxes.

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Problem here is they are using two sets of Standards when they see fit. They want to be called entertainment when it suits them and yet they want to be called sports when it comes to things like in this issue and other things.
Entertainment for tax purposes.

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Thing is thought DB did pass the tests it's just the WWE doctor, who may or may not have ulterior motives, and the NYC test which apparently exaggerated DB's result.
Or who found something that may or may not be bad because concussions are not fully understood. Finding something on the brain usually isn't a great thing.

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In any event if WWE can allow Foley to continue for 2 more years after KOTR 98, I don't see why they can't let DB wrestle part time?
How in the blue hell does this seem like a logical statement to you? Knowledge about concussions being dangerous wasn't really known back then. Part-time doesn't protect Bryan from his concussions.
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Old 08-20-2017, 07:33 PM
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If I was Daniel Bryan I would rather have a steady income being the GM on SmackDown Live than working in front of 500-1000 fans on a Indy show risking another concussion for a Indy payday.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:27 AM
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I'm all for Daniel Bryan returning to the ring if he has a reduced schedule and is working a safer style such as eliminating the diving head butt and the suicide dive. I've hated the diving head butt ever since Dynamite Kid ended up in the wheelchair. He has a big responsibility as a father to his baby daughter. Hell, I'd be fine with it if he only wrestled like Shane does at certain PPVs. That way he's wrestling dream match opponents for those special occasions. I definitely see him wrestling AJ Styles, Kevin Owens and Shinsuke Nakamura. It would have been cool to see him face Hideo Itami, but seeing how Itami hasn't been progressing well in NXT with the injuries and stuff, the aforementioned three opponents would be just perfect. If it was a perfect world, there'd be a match between Daniel Bryan and Kurt Angle before it's too late for either. I don't want to see Daniel Bryan going over to NJPW and ROH, because he's already been there and the style was even more reckless than in WWE. I only see major red flags there.
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Concussions are a bitch, believe me I have had 3 major ones in my life... the second was the disabling one and that's for life... not just for a little while.

It took 9 years to be able to do a similar job to what I had when it happened and 5 to even be able to drive... even now they are looking closely as to whether to take my license...

Now translate that to Daniel Bryan... who has likely had hundreds more concussions than me AND a neck injury to boot. Even if his symptoms aren't the same as mine, the concerns would be the same. He'd have to be cleared by the DMV more regularly, he'd have more trouble getting insurance, as would any employer of his and if there is ANY chance it could have affected his timing in the ring then he cannot be allowed to risk another talent... just as if they decide I can't drive anymore I have to accept it... only takes a split second and someone is dead.

WWE are not saints in this... the concussion lawsuit eventually will cost them and see them lose, maybe not this iteration but eventually one name will join it and tip it over the edge. WWE is desperately fighting it cos they saw what happened to the NFL and the hit would be far deeper on them financially, but it's an inevitablity not a possibility. WWE lets Bryan wrestle, it comes far quicker and HE might end up being the name that joins and tips it...

The "...but you signed a waiver..." doesn't count... If you are impaired then it's not YOUR call to make/sign away. If WWE lets him wrestle, then they may as well pay the lawsuit now.
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With the concussion lawsuit looming I see no way the WWE would open themselves to essentially admitting they knew wrestlers suffered concussions and were allow to continue to work. With the health information they have on DB I don't see him ever being allowed to return to active ring duty as even if he tames his style it's still a sport where it's easy to receive a concussion.
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