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Old 08-08-2017, 07:46 PM
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Default Five things WWE must do to revivify the tag team division.

Now, most of us have agreed or stated that it would be better for the WWE to only have one tag team division, regardless of the brand split. But that's not what I'm going to suggest here.

Also, I recall suggestions given here as to putting back together Prime Time Players, Harper and Rowan, and Lucha Dragons, but I'm not going to include any of those, as I believe in freshness and novelty and not random resurrections to save or vitalize a division.

1)Usos deflect to Raw and begin a protracted feud with multiple teams.

Reigns or Roman Empire as a faction help them win the titles, to garner heel heat, and sustain that win so that you have Hardys, as well as Ambrose and Rollins in a protracted feud with them, including 2-out-of-3 falls matches, cage matches, and TLC/Ladder matches.

These are just three teams, and you still have an injured Revival, Miztourage, and The Club/Shea-Saro(one of which would be traded to SDL).

2)Involve Ambrose and Rollins in both tag team feuds and belt hunt, as well as some other feud, let's say, against a heel Roman Reigns.

Thus, at some point, Ambrose and Rollins must be Raw tag team champs, with incredibly chemistry and dynamic, and they must be involved in the division for at least up to the Royal Rumble.

3)Put Sami Zayn and Tye Dillinger together and make them Tag team champs on SDL.

Neither are doing anything significant on SDL, both have lost to Aiden English (cleanly, probably) at one point in recent memory, which is either a severe display of 50-50 booking, or just the WWE's implicit faith in Aiden's talents.

So instead of trading wins on random SDLs, they deserve better, being both fairly good in the ring and securing plenty of cheers from fans usually.

These should easily win the SD tag team titles at some point in the future.

4)Make the SDL tag team division interesting and unique, by:

Giving Breezango the titles and lending them some legitimacy, and
Infusing it with some new tag teams, perhaps including cruiserweights.

This would mean a fairly fresh, unique tag team landscape on SDL featuring Breezango, some cruiserweight teams, Sami Zayn and Tye Dillinger, as well as New Day. They still also have the Ascension.

5)With the already stacked division on SDL, as suggested in point 4, Raw could still trade Shea-Saro or The Club, for having procured the Usos.

I'm not big on the Club, as I want the SDL tag division to be a highly athletic, competitive landscape.

Hence, Shea-Saro would be an amazing addition to the division.

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Old 08-08-2017, 08:56 PM
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I agree with most of this. I'd definitely move The Usos to Raw in the next superstar shakeup. Once their feud with New Day is over, there's really nothing else from them to do on Smackdown. I'd swap them with Gallows & Anderson so you can not only reunite The Club, but have the Usos join up with Reigns in 6-man tags.

I would give Ambrose & Rollins the Raw tag titles at Summerslam. Let them hang onto them until the Rumble and then drop them before splitting up with Ambrose going heel.

I think it's too soon to put Dillinger in a tag team, but in the future it's going to probably be a good idea. His call up to the main roster just seemed premature to me. He'll probably feud with guys like Ziggler and Kanelis and then be stuck in no man's land. I haven't lost hope for Sami Zayn to be involved in the US Title picture sometime in the near future.

I would keep the SDL tag titles on New Day until Mania personally, where I'd have them drop them to the Authors of Pain. I like the Fashion Police, but not enough to make them champions. I think I'd maybe turn the Hype Bros heel to feud with them. I agree about creating teams out of cruiserweights. Kendrick & TJP maybe? Alexander & Swann. There's plenty of them and only 1 cruiserweight title. Give the guys who aren't in the title picture something meaningful to do.

Sheamus & Cesaro would be a great addition to the blue brand. Can't argue with that at all.

Also, that was me that said they should reform Harper and Rowan, the Prime Time Players, and Lucha Dragons. Makes too much sense not to. Apollo Crews could take Darren Young's place if they don't want to use him. Maybe keep Enzo & Big Show together permanently. Give Ziggler a tag partner like Curt Hawkins. Give the Miztourage weekly matches and establish them as a team.

The tag division is pretty easy to repair imo. It's a shame it's even in this bad of shape. I hate to beat a dead horse, but it's ridiculous that they split up American Alpha, Enzo & Cass, and the Golden Truth all within a couple of months of each other.
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:20 PM
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I would give Ambrose & Rollins the Raw tag titles at Summerslam. Let them hang onto them until the Rumble and then drop them before splitting up with Ambrose going heel.
We've already seen a long reign and a dominant tag team on Raw first in the form of New Day, and now Shea-Caro(which is a good thing actually).

However, Ambrose and Rollins' dynamic is unique in that they're like tag teams such as Austin and Taker(back in '98). Can they trust one another, and for how long? And hence, they shouldn't necessarily have to hold on to the belts or be dominant, but just be a dysfunctional-functional pair, always hanging in the balance.

Also I believe they should form a dominant heel faction like the Roman Empire, and not just use Rollins and Ambrose as a regular tag team like Hardys or Revival, but a sort of an opposition, which means they can be champions for a month or two at most, but still function as a unit, against the Roman Empire/Usos/Reigns.

Plus you have to keep things interesting with them, so being champions for 6 months consistently precludes that. Only by losing the belts do you keep boiling that tension between them, may be they can win the belts for a second time like Shea-Saro ?

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I think it's too soon to put Dillinger in a tag team, but in the future it's going to probably be a good idea. His call up to the main roster just seemed premature to me. He'll probably feud with guys like Ziggler and Kanelis and then be stuck in no man's land. I haven't lost hope for Sami Zayn to be involved in the US Title picture sometime in the near future.
That is why I suggested it. I see no consistent booking with Dillinger. Hell, Sami Zayn, if I'm not mistaken has done NOTHING of note since his debut on the main roster, lost most of his matches against KO, and hasn't won either the IC/US title??(Though I admit, his brief feud with Strowman and segments with Foley were intriguing.) Whereas KO has been the IC champ, US champ, beaten Cena, been the Universal champ.

What hope does Dillinger have then? At this point, they should both be paired up, and hopefully, be SDL tag team champions for a month or two at least, if not six months. This also gives us novelty instead of the same old New Day or Usos as Champions on SDL.

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I would keep the SDL tag titles on New Day until Mania personally, where I'd have them drop them to the Authors of Pain. I like the Fashion Police, but not enough to make them champions. I think I'd maybe turn the Hype Bros heel to feud with them. I agree about creating teams out of cruiserweights. Kendrick & TJP maybe? Alexander & Swann. There's plenty of them and only 1 cruiserweight title. Give the guys who aren't in the title picture something meaningful to do.
Personally, the New Day as babyfaces does nothing for me, and they have been there for so long, I have forgotten being desensitized and totally indifferent about them.

So I'd certainly not want them to be champs up to WM, but rather be involved in a vigorous, unpredictable tag team landscape, may be even feud with some team without involving the belts.

Btw, I had almost forgotten the Hype Bros exist, but haven't seen them together in a while. Are they going their separate ways or what?

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Also, that was me that said they should reform Harper and Rowan, the Prime Time Players, and Lucha Dragons. Makes too much sense not to. Apollo Crews could take Darren Young's place if they don't want to use him. Maybe keep Enzo & Big Show together permanently. Give Ziggler a tag partner like Curt Hawkins. Give the Miztourage weekly matches and establish them as a team.
Yeah I do remember it was you! I don't mind Harper and Rowan, or Harper with anyone because he is extremely, bafflingly talented and agile for his size and it's a shame he isn't to be seen.

It makes sense on paper to combine PTP, Lucha Dragons etc. but if memory serves me right, neither of those generate much buzz, and won't at least at this point. Apollo Crews and Darren Young wouldn't be such a bad team though.

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The tag division is pretty easy to repair imo. It's a shame it's even in this bad of shape. I hate to beat a dead horse, but it's ridiculous that they split up American Alpha, Enzo & Cass, and the Golden Truth all within a couple of months of each other.
It's not that ridiculous considering Golden Truth who were together for quite long, and weren't really destined for greatness to begin with. Goldust doing what he's doing right now as a solo act is good, and I'd like them to give him the IC title, a feud with the Miz or someone, before he retires. His last occasion to shine and shower the Golddddddddddustthhh.

Enzo and Cass were never that good so it'd have been a tragedy had they continued on to face The Club for the 25th time on Raw, in a meaningless match with a meaningless victory or defeat.

But it's absolutely ridiculous they broke up American Alpha, no one can deny that!

If anything, someone here suggested, if they only had to do the Kurt Angle illegitimate son storyline, why not as well invite Chad Gable on Raw and have Angle push/mentor both of them? Or not do that storyline but just have Angle mentor them?

So yeah.

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Old 08-10-2017, 11:11 PM
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But to me, the problem is even simpler. Yeah it's branded Raw, and yeah it's branded Smackdown, but when they both carry that WWE logo in the front, they're both WWE shows. You can't have two champions of the whole WWE. Even the singles titles. It just doesn't work. Either someone is the champion of all the land, or they're not. You can't be Champ 1 and Champ 2, you can't be Champ A and Champ B.
I see both sides of the argument. I see why people don't like having TWO World Champs and TWO Tag Champs and TWO Women's Champs all technically in the same company but separated by brands.

I also see why, when roster splits are enforced, it makes sense to have TWO World Champs, TWO Tag Champs and TWO Women's Champs because there is enough talent to split up on both sides and if used well, it gives both sides something meaningful to work towards.

But the thing is, WWE has gone down BOTH roads. It was not really that long ago that WWE only had one WWE World Champ, one Tag Team Champs and one Women's Champ and there was no roster split with brands.

And what happened? Apparently, even though WWE had every opportunity to make use of their top talent and make intense, interesting and multi-dimensional storylines, feuds and rivalries for the belts that they did have. They were not able to do so and the show was not much more intense and interesting than it was now. Some may say it was less interesting.


Now, I guess you could go back to Unified Tag Champs who defend on both Raw and SmackDown but, to me, that means you have to go back to just ONE WWE or Universal Champ because otherwise Unified Tag Champs look better than the WWE or Universal Champ because they are defending against BOTH rosters and the WWE or Universal Champ is just defending against one roster. And, let's be honest, be real here. WWE made a big deal about brand split.

WWE is NOT going back to ONE WWE World Title, one Tag Title and one Women's Title anytime soon.


The best thing, I think, to think about is how they can use the tag teams more interestingly.


A big thing, I think is creating big Factions and have a tag team part of that. A big heel faction would be good because then the remaining tag teams that are babyfaces have something obvious to fight against. Also, having maybe one or two tweener tag teams that 'do their own thing' makes things more interesting too.


To me, the tag team divisions are okay but too often tag teams are just 'no around' for no good reason, while, instead they could at least be seen more if they were part of a big faction or there were building 3 or 4 way feuds between tag teams instead of just ONE tag team vs ONE tag team for a month or two and then BOOM, now switch, and it's ONE tag team vs ONE tag team again. Much too boring, most of the time.
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I don't think any extra Titles should have been created for the Brand Split.

If you have tag-teams split over the two brands feuding for the WWE tag-titles then we wouldn't have the watered down versions we have now, somewhat the same with the Women's/Diva's Titles.

8 or 9 teams competing for one tag-championship makes it more interesting.
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The biggest issue with all this is that for all NXT has done, the "solution" being proposed and the current state of play still involves teams of solos thrown together.

Sheamus and Cesaro are counter productive, just as that era of endless thrown together teams like Rated RKO, Jerishow and the like were. Putting Sami and Dillinger together is worse... You have The Fashion Police, who are basically the same (although they have at least embraced the idea they are a permanent team now) and these are the teams mainly being featured.

Meanwhile you have several teams on NXT who can move up now... Authors of Pain, Heavy Machinery and SaNity can all be on the main roster NOW along with The Revival, Club, Hardyz, New Day, Rowan and Harper and Usos...

The problem is WWE wants NXT as a "brand" of its own, so they won't asset strip it of teams which is again, counter productive. To my mind, if you are a dedicated tag team and good at it then you are "in demand" and thus moved up faster. Solo guys have to wait for the right spot, but teams shouldn't ever need to as there is ALWAYS a spot for feud for them on the main roster.

It's the age old problem though... Once Bret and Shawn got to be the biggest guys in the company, no one was ever happy being a tag specialist... it's always a stepping stone and every team is more about what star can they spin off from it rather than the team being great.

For a while it looked like WWE had turned that around, but Enzo and Cass proved that WWE doesn't care about decent teams, they want the star from it. Just as they will put Jeff into singles the first chance they get (and Matt if they can get the gimmick) and sooner rather than later Cesaro and Sheamus will split too... Even with SaNity...you just know they are trying to make Killian Dain something down the line, rather than SaNity the next great team.

At this point, the titles are almost immaterial...
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Rants like those in the opening post of this thread never make any sense to me. You guys do know that the WWE is a business, right? They are out to make more money. It is best for business (no pun intended) for the WWE to have more options for their fans in what shows to attend. Raw and Smackdown having their own tag team divisions adds an additional layer to this. If all the tag teams who are Tag Team Championship contenders got put on Smackdown and all the Women's Championship contenders got put on Raw, as people keep suggesing on here, it takes away possible shows for some fans to go to. What if a fan loves tag team wrestling and wants to see a Tag Team Championship match? If there is a Raw event coming up in his area but not a Samckdown one, then he misses out and may not want to go to the Raw event. If each brand has its own set of Tag Team Champions like we do today then that same fan has more options and the WWE makes more money off of that demographic. Everyone wins. Well, everyone but those who whine it seems.

Even if you ignore the business aspect of it and look from it as a fan, I still prefer the current structure. It gives other teams more opportunities. Do you think teams like Breezango would be anywhere NEAR the titles if there was only one set? No. It would be New Day VS The Hardys or Sheamus & Cesaro. Everyone else would be jobbing to the top tier teams or stuck in pointless filler feuds. I'd much rather see the division stretched across two brands instead of one severely clogged up division. The tag team division is FINE. Both brands have popular tag teams that are getting pushed. Both brands also have given opportunities to wrestlers who deserve them. Yes we older fans remember a decade or so ago when teams like Deuce & Domino or Jesse & Festus were getting pushes they were not ready for. Thanks to NXT and the current structure the WWE has, we do not have to worry about that. Both of the main rosters are full of talent who are good at what they do. The tag team divisions are not in danger of collapsing anytime soon.
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Why not reunite the PrimeTime Players, Wyatt Family, and the Lucha Dragons? None of them are doing anything.

Problem solved. Tag teams are there. A little effort and you have a resurgence.

On Raw, that gives you the Hardys, Cesaro/Sheamus, Slater/Rhyno, PrimeTime Players, Ambrose/Rollins, Lucha Dragons, Miztourage, Revival, and Gallows/Anderson.

On SD, you have New Day, Usos, Breezango, Wyatts, Zayn/Dillinger, and Breezango. They could pair up Rusev and Owens or Cena and Style for a while.

Add temporary tag teams (such as the two I mentioned for SD) and NXT call ups (Authors and eventually Sanity).

The tag team division is doing just fine.

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