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Old 08-14-2017, 04:01 PM
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These three can easily be mingled into Raw's picture, or rotated.
To end, I would like to state that:-

In a state where there's only one Supreme championship and champion, feuds are properly placed, deserving candidates win or contend for the title, the cream rises to the top, you don't hurry people into becoming world champion, and there's usually a consistency and constant excitement of the hunt.

In a state with two champions, things are diluted, a lot of experimentation occurs, undeserving or not-yet-ready candidates win the MITB and/or championship, and at times the title fluctuates between functioning as a World title to functioning as a midcard or less glorious title, as is happening currently, with Mahal's reign as WWE champion and the AJ Styles-KO feud
for the US title.


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Interesting points. But let's take a look at them from a WWE historical perspective.

When WWE only had one supreme world champion and was at its peak? It was the Attitude Era with the likes of The Rock, Stone Cold, Mankind, Triple H, Undertaker, Kurt Angle, Kane at the forefront. Yes, you could say the cream rose to the top and it made for very heated and interesting pursuits for the World Title.

There was so much interest that they broke into two shows: Raw and SmackDown and still had enough content to fill both shows without needing two World Champs.

But, let's not forget that, while the TOP of the card and the World Title scene was intensely interesting, the mid-card titles often had times where they were not given really much attention OR treated basically as a joke.

There were times where the European Champ would have a 5 minute match and get less time for a story than the Women get today. A time where the Hardcore title was switching hands nightly or weekly. A time where a frumpy stooge named Gerald Briscoe was the HARDCORE Champion. And where Stephanie McMahon was Women's Champ for a long period of time, often nights where she didn't have a match or hardly any Women wrestlers in the company to base a feud off of.

What, I think, was a big part of driving the interest during the Attitude Era was big heel factions that tormented others on the roster and created great tension and great babyfaces to emerge. Also, it gave some talent who were not always wrestling every night a chance to be on the show part of a faction in some way and then it didn't seem so random, like it often does today, if they are thrown in a match because they at least have a relation to a team or goal.


Now, look at a time when WWE had two separate brands and separate World Titles. Probably the best time for WWE was pretty shortly after the initial brand split around 2003 until 2007 or so. During that time there was still some top star talent in the company so both brands had star power.


However, before WWE had NXT the way it is now and the Performance Centre there was no particular pressure or obvious progression of talent moving along to the point where they pretty much have to be moved up to a main roster or released because they can't be 'developing' forever. Before NXT, you didn't know if anyone was coming up or in so if you did have one roster and one top title and a bunch of talent on the main roster being unused you could just 'solve' it by quickly signing new talent and debuting them.


So, I would say yes, ideally it would be good if the WWE Creative team could handle ONE roster, two shows, with ONE top title, maybe two mid-card titles and ONE tag team title and ONE Women's title.

But, let's face it. They have not been able to do that. Maybe down the road they will try again.


In the current situation they are in with NXT talent that keeps developing and being ready to move up and current main roster talent that actually have some star power being heavily used and everyone else being wasted, I think the best case scenario is WWE finds a way to make the most of out of each show and their titles.

Just think of each show as two mini-companies. Yes, we all know they are under the same umbrella but for the sake of making sense of it, look at it like Raw is like WWE (the "Stephanie owned" company) and SmackDown is like WCW (the "Shane owned" company) and they are separate rosters so separate titles makes sense.
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:04 PM
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I remember during 2002-2003, (the first brand extension), they had one champion, who went across both shows, and defended his title at both brands PPVs.

But if you do it, it has to be someone who is great on the mike, and sell tickets. Back then, Hulk Hogan, Triple H, "Bad Ass" Undertaker and the Rock, carried the sole WWE World Title, and appeared on both shows, and carried them. It opened up a range of opponents, and sometimes the champ would have a contender on both brands at the same time. But they seperated the titles when Brock took the WWE Title to "Smackdown" with him.

I would like to see this again, but the only guys I could see pulling off this role is Cena, Orton, A.J. Styles, and Kevin Owens. Also, Jericho, when he is there. Brock could as well, but only if he does every PPV.

This would make the title more relevant, and keep it out of the hands of less deserving "flavours of the month" and allow for a more legitimate champion and company figurehead.
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Old 08-15-2017, 12:22 AM
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No the two different brands need two different world titles.

It wouldn't make any sense for Jinder to also show up on Raw or for Lesnar to also show up on Smackdown.

All wrestlers should only appear on one brand.
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Old 08-15-2017, 04:21 PM
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No the two different brands need two different world titles.

It wouldn't make any sense for Jinder to also show up on Raw or for Lesnar to also show up on Smackdown.

All wrestlers should only appear on one brand.
By having one champion across both the brands, you wouldn't get Jinder or Brock as champion.

You would get only guys who can carry the show, and enhance the show and the title. People like Balor and Nakamura can't, so they would get built naturally, until they are ready.
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Old 08-15-2017, 07:13 PM
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Personally I would have only one world champion, Which is suposed to represent the best in the world, Two world champions doesn't make sense and contradict each other.
Have the one shared world title only defended on big shows to make the defenses mean more and promote the US and Intercontinental titles into the top titles for each show, All titles would then mean more and people may actually start to care about those titles again.
Currently I can barely name many recent US and Intercontintal title reign histories but back in the 80s and 90s I could name them all.
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Old 08-15-2017, 08:18 PM
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They tried this during the first brand split and it was a nightmare to deal with because everytime a champion was losing the title, the would go to whatever brand the new champ was on and it was confusing. That's why it last 5 months before they decided to change it.

I think they would ran into the same problem if they would do this again. I think if you want to make the brand split important, you need to limit the number of roster change and keep it with a world champion per brand,
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The Universal title is superior. Are we really supposed to believe that the WWE and Universal titles are equal to each other? Just look at who's holding them.
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Simple put, with two brands with separate rosters you need to have all separate titles, including the top title (WWE or Universal).

It is confusing chaos if rosters are supposed to be separated by brand but then somehow the WWE Champ is supposed to be on both shows and his opponents are supposed to be from both shows. It creates a mess.

You either go with ONE roster that can appear on both shows and then have one World title, one or two mid-card titles, one tag title and one women's title OR separate rosters per brand and their own titles.

People don't get all bent out of shape because NXT has their own top title, tag titles and women's title. That's largely because they have their own roster so it makes sense for them to have their own titles.
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Having two world titles is fine when you have a deep roster that can fill both brands and you put the title on credible people.

The best example of this was around 2002 to early 2004. RAW had Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Goldberg, and Chris Benoit as their Champion while Smackdown! had Kurt Amgle, Brock Lesnar, and Eddie Guerrero as Champions.

Problem is when the roster is so thin, like now, or when you put the title on someone in one brand who isn't a credible Champion or built up well as a Champion. The Great Khali, CM Punk (his first run), Jack Swagger, Alberto Del Rio, JBL, Bray Wyatt and Jinder Mahal.

Then you have problems.
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Having only one World Championship is stupid when you have two brands. I've stated this before and my opinion has not changed. Radical is 100% correct. Raw and Smackdown need to be presented as separate entities in order for the brand split to make sense. No one is above the brand lines except for legends. Those who say that Raw should have the women, Smackdown should have the tag teams, and that there should only be one World Champion, have no idea what they are talking about. The WWE is a business. They will make more money if the fans have more options for shows to attend.

If a fan wants to see the World Champion in action but he's current working angles with Raw opponents, he won't show up on Smackdown that cycle. What if that same fan has a Smackdown event coming up in his town but not a Raw one? He's not as likely to go if his World Champion who he wanted to see is not there. Now take that same scenario with the title structure of today. He may not have a Universal Champion at the Smackdown event in his town, but that fan may get to see the World Heavyweight Champion. WWE knows exactly what it's going. It may not appeal to some groups of fans but it does appeal to their main demographics. One World Champion only works if there is one roster as opposed to two main brands.
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