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Old 08-09-2017, 08:36 AM
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I think the biggest problem with Bayley and for that matter alot of the NXT alums is that they don't realize that The main roster isn't the same as been on the NXT roster. They think just like probably some of the staff on the creative team that because they we're super over in NXT that they will be super over on raw or smackdown. That's not the case.

Bayley is pretty much the same character she was in NXT, fans can argue all they want about how she's been booked on Raw, but the fact of the matter is that she's the same Bayley that she was in NXT, the only difference is that she need to connect to a completly different audience which is we're the problem is. If you rely too much on the writers to get yourself over, you won't amount to anything. Just look at alexa bliss as an exemple, she one of those that understood what her character is and while they scripted everything she say, she take that scripted and make it her own. Bayley hasn't done that. Bayley strenght never really was her promos, even in NXT i couldn't believe that she really was this superfan character.

She always going plain old Bayley, because that's what she is, she a decent wrestler and a decent promo and it's o.k. They can use her as a role model for young girls, i think that could be her role within the division, somebody that's an underdog and try to realize her dream. She's never going to be the face of the division because she doesn't have the charisma that a Charlotte or Becky Lynch or even Paige (if she comes back) have, but she decent enough to be book as a underdog trying to realize her dream and get a short title reign at some point but for that to happen, she need to step up her game and find a way to get people interested in her character. We can put the blame all we went on creative but the performer have to do they're part as well, if they can't get the fans interested in them, then you can booked them the way you want, it's not going to matter because the fans won't care.

This is NXT where they had a lot of time to practice they're matches, it's the main roster and you need to step up or be forgotten, that's what the NXT guys need to realize. They won'T get a lot of time to rehearse their matches and promo on the main roster, it's sink or swim on the main roster. So either you find a way to get the audience on your side and keep them interested with your character or they move on to somebody else.
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Old 08-09-2017, 05:54 PM
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I think people worry too much about the Women. There's a title on both shows for a total of what...13 women split in half? There's not much else for them to do but fight for a title as it's not like WWE is going to create any personal feuds or stories out of the ones not fighting for a championship. Almost every pay per view since the brand split has featured multi women matches for the title because of the lack of depth in each division. To say Bayley is done or anything close is ridiculous.

She will be back in the title picture just because what else would there be for her to do? WWE knows her background and NXT run otherwise they wouldn't have made a big deal of her being brought up to Raw. She's just in a funk because they booked her too strong too fast. It was about as un-fuckupable as you could get but of course they dropped the ball. Just have her heal and come back as an underdog, lose a lot of matches, create sympathy then build a redemption story on the way to Mania preferably against Sasha.

Seriously, she's not doomed or anything close to it. There aren't any lower mid card titles or tag titles in the Women's division. There isn't anything for her or any of the others to do but fight for the title because there's so few of them. She will be fine.
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I don't think Bayley was ever destined to be the John Cena of women, she is the Daniel Bryan of women. Her story arc was always that she was a lovable underdog, who despite having the odds stacked against her, would eventually climb to the top of the mountain and become champion.

There's a few problems with this on the main roster.

#1 over exposure. Raw is a 3 hour weekly show that features every performer, every week. NXT is a 1 hour show, that often will only feature its top performers in short segments every 2-3 weeks. This protects anyone's character from becoming boring, because you only see enough of them to leave you wanting more. Additionally, what you do see of them, tends to be solid 10-15 minute matches, which highlight their in-ring ability, whereas on Raw it's not uncommon to see them in a 2-5 minute match that doesn't show much of anything.

#2 Her story had a beginning, middle, and end...and it was already told in NXT.
Pretty cut and dry. To be a great hero, Bayley needed a great villain, and she had several during her time there. Over the course of a long couple of years, we saw Bayley finally ascend to the top, and then all of her primary competition got called up, and she didn't. This worked perfectly for her because once she graduated to the top, a new crop of girls was gunning for her. So it transitioned her character to stay fresh.

Upon arriving on the main roster, she received the belt too quickly, was never positioned as an underdog, didn't have a primary rival, etc. There wasn't anywhere for her to go, at best all she could do was stay the course. But it also would've been silly to position her at the bottom again, after we just saw her coronation in NXT.

None of this is her fault. It's not even really bookings fault, it's just simple story telling. She completed the heroes journey, and they need to find a new story to tell with her. I guarantee you that if Bryan hadn't gone out in the way he did, and had kept the title for more than 3 months after WM30, people would've started getting bored with him, and his momentum would've started stalling, because when you're an underdog character, the best role to be positioned in is as a chaser, not a champion.

I think some time off, and a roster shakeup in her absence, will cause her to come back revitalized.

Very accurately recapped the situation with Bayley's character and how it came to be this way.

I agree. And she did a great job working with her story arc in NXT and she climbed the mountain top before she got called up.

Then, she got to the main roster and she was not put in a great position and got hot shotted to the Title way too early. And all she could do was do the best she could with what they were giving her. She got put in a really tough position.

I also agree, Daniel Bryan was that type of character and I bet you a lot of fans would have started to get cold on him if he held the Title too long after WM or was still an active wrestler. He probably would still get lots of "Yes!" chants but if he held the Title too long or lost it and went over again with another "odds stacked against him, underdog run for the World Title" angle again, fans wouldn't be as interested again.

It's amazing how long Rey Mysterio's popularity lasted in WWE since he is was the ULTIMATE underdog. Of course, many (mostly adult) fans turned on him too later in his WWE career the more times he was put in a David vs Goliath situation and especially when it was for a Title.


I think this injury time off should be good for Bayley. I don't think her super babyface character is doomed but she needs to get a good heel or heels against her so she can have a good feud to show her toughness and gain natural credibility and support. She needs to come back with a slightly different aspect to her character at least. Could be a new move or two in the ring or more determined attitude, but something more.


I don't know what happened exactly with her and the fans in Toronto the other day, but I gather she got booed pretty badly. They do call Canada "bizarro land" for a reason, but it sounds like the fans were still acting pretty fickle and ridiculous. But of course the positions WWE put Bayley in since being on the main roster has not helped her in almost any way.


But there is nothing wrong with being a positive, hard-working, underdog character. But continual character development helped with good feuds and rivals is key.


ANY talented pro wrestler can be made to look bad if they aren't given good opportunity to develop their character and be in interesting feuds and rivalries.
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