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Old 11-12-2016, 09:39 AM
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Goldberg debuted during the peak of WCW Nitro during The Monday Night Wars when the ratings were at a all time high. As others have it was the way he was marketed with the look, the intensity, the entrance etc. He was some one who was always protected and rarely lost and when he did finally lose it had a big impact. It's a testament to how much of an impact when you still have people chanting his name over a decade during Ryback matches and you heard the huge Goldberg chants after Lesnar beat Orton to a pulp at Summerslam.

I think his career is similar to how the Ultimate Warrior's run was a decade before Goldberg. Warrior was marketed right with the look, the entrance etc. He was also somebody who debuted at the right time when the height of The Rock n Wrestling Era. He also made made a name for himself working short matches against jobbers. He was also somebody who had a short career and was always protected. Warrior and Goldberd are two of few who beat Hogan clean during the height of his popularity in both eras.
Goldberg said there's not many real life super heroes left like himself and The Warrior and I think he's right. They've tried building Roman Reigns up as the next baby face power house and it's been a epic fail.
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Old 11-12-2016, 01:52 PM
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Reality is he was the first guy to truly benefit from Wrestling being THE thing at the time in popular culture and media... Guys like Austin and Foley were known, Rock was clearly starting to make moves but he had been totally new only a year or so before...

The thing that put Goldberg over the top was that he wasn't an unknown quantity... Casual fans had heard of him in the NFL, even briefly for that one season... he was arguably the biggest "crossover" star, Vader always downplayed his part in a Superbowl and other big names like Simmons, Rock, Luger, Pillman had lesser roles at teams... It's that added edge to his game and character, that he was basically a 2 sport guy, coming into wrestling and dominating...

Goldberg succeeded cos he captured casual imaginations rather than wrestling purists and that could only have happened with his background and how the business was at the time.
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Old 11-13-2016, 08:02 PM
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It was definitely a combination of factors for what made Goldberg different then those who came after him.

One of the big factors is that he appeared on the scene at the right time, in the right place. Pro Wrestling was at its peak in popularity and about as mainstream as it has ever been. Internet was around but not nearly as accessible as it is today so TV and PPV was still big. That was beneficial to Goldberg's image.

A huge factor for Goldberg was novelty. He was one of the first to have the exposure, the character protection from not losing and the overall amazing presentation going for him. The music was great, the entrance was great, his intensity was great and he had some key power moves that was all that was needed at the time to be unique and impressive.

No other wrestling star previous had really been able to have all these factors work for them together. Sure, Hulk Hogan was popular in the late 80s and early 90s and rarely lost but not as much exposure as Goldberg because he didn't appear on TV as much. Sure, Undertaker in the early to mid 90s was undefeated for a while and had an interesting presence to him but the intensity wasn't the same and the attention on pro wrestling wasn't the same.

It became perfect timing for a character like Goldberg to emerge and he did.

The problem became that AFTER Goldberg's career was basically over that any attempts by companies to create another Goldberg-like character would suffer from a copy cat label that fans wouldn't widely accept. It just couldn't be done again after it already was done. If another big guy goes on a big win streak wrestling fans go "Oh, look, they are trying to make another Goldberg" and no one gives as much attention or credit to the guy anymore.

The same, to an extent, happens with Stone Cold-like characters. Any guy who comes in as a no-nonsense ass kicker who is anti-establishment can end up getting the Austin label and wrestling fans don't find it as exciting anymore.
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:17 AM
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I believe new Goldberg is already here - Brock Lesnar. Isn't he? Rarely lose, beat up the guys who others can't, doesn't have a big arsenal of moves or great promos, looks like the man in the PG world, have well known sport background, have great body built.

All you really need to do to create goldbergs:
1) the right looks - when everyone was in shorts, Warrior had a very unique look, when everybody was in jeans, Goldberg was in shorts, when everybody got their own wrestling style attires, Lesnar get UFC one.
2) they must come from legit sport - Warrior was bodybuilder, Goldberg was NFL player, Lesnar was UFC fighter
3) promos and long matches not for them. Obviously the less this trio said anything was better, they are the men of action and domination, long matches are for others.
4) great entrance and music, not some sweet theme and pinky hearts for titantrons.
5) these guys must beat clean other top guys and the guys other top guys can't. (Warrior beat Hogan, Goldberg beat Hogan, Brock beat Taker)
6) capture the world title in their first try
7) these guys must lose very rarely and be protected all the way.
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:23 AM
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I believe new Goldberg is already here - Brock Lesnar. Isn't he? Rarely lose, beat up the guys who others can't, doesn't have a big arsenal of moves or great promos, looks like the man in the PG world, have well known sport background, have great body built.

All you really need to do to create goldbergs:
1) the right looks - when everyone was in shorts, Warrior had a very unique look, when everybody was in jeans, Goldberg was in shorts, when everybody got their own wrestling style attires, Lesnar get UFC one.
2) they must come from legit sport - Warrior was bodybuilder, Goldberg was NFL player, Lesnar was UFC fighter
3) promos and long matches not for them. Obviously the less this trio said anything was better, they are the men of action and domination, long matches are for others.
4) great entrance and music, not some sweet theme and pinky hearts for titantrons.
5) these guys must beat clean other top guys and the guys other top guys can't. (Warrior beat Hogan, Goldberg beat Hogan, Brock beat Taker)
6) capture the world title in their first try
7) these guys must lose very rarely and be protected all the way.
With all due respect, are you comparing Lesnar with Warrior?. Are you saying that Brock Lesnar cant have long matches? (his best matches were 20min+). I can give you that he doesnt like to cut promos, but the ones that he has recorded are good for what you would expect from Lesnar.

Lesnar like it or not, its one of a kind, theres no way to compare him with Warrior. You can compare warrior with lex luger, hogan, hell...even Cena. NOT Lesnar.
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To answer this question, all you have to do is watch Raw. Even a 50 year Goldberg who has spent 12 years out of the spotlight is more captivating than almost anybody else on the entire roster.
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Old 11-16-2016, 06:45 AM
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To answer this question, all you have to do is watch Raw. Even a 50 year Goldberg who has spent 12 years out of the spotlight is more captivating than almost anybody else on the entire roster.
Exactly.

A guy who isn't even a part-time wrestler. Plus, he is more over than bunch of guys on the main roster who are regular wrestlers.

What I want to add more is that Goldberg's booking also has a part in it. Of course it's Goldberg himself for the major part but still booking plays a part. WWE tried to make a new Goldberg out of Ryback and failed. Now, They're trying to make Braun Strowman a big thing. I didn't think that I would give him chance but I am liking him now. He has been protected well. Even Cass has been protected rightly.
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Old 11-17-2016, 08:54 AM
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With all due respect, are you comparing Lesnar with Warrior?. Are you saying that Brock Lesnar cant have long matches? (his best matches were 20min+). I can give you that he doesnt like to cut promos, but the ones that he has recorded are good for what you would expect from Lesnar.

Lesnar like it or not, its one of a kind, theres no way to compare him with Warrior. You can compare warrior with lex luger, hogan, hell...even Cena. NOT Lesnar.
Lesnar had long great matches, sure, but it is the way things work today - PPVs must have long matches, otherwise nobody is interested to buy them. Like i said, bussiness has evolved from 80's, what was acceptable back then is not acceptable today. I don't think Brock will work long matches in 80s.
Cena's PPV matches usually are 3,5+ stars, so why he is in? Hogan could wrestle when he wanted to - he had good matches, his japanese stuff when he was younger (all the way to 93/94) is interesting to watch, because this is where he really wrestled.
Yes Lesnar is 1 of a kind - 1 of a few men in a pond full of teenagers if you will, this is what makes him standout the most. Goldberg is the same, he was the man of WCW and the man of RAW...i remember thinking how weak HBK looked when he wrestled in a couple of matches against Goldberg.
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