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Old 09-12-2016, 01:00 PM
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Did they at least let Cult of Personality finish before he tapped out?

I didn't watch. My interest in MMA came and went pretty quick. Not that this was MMA, or at least not UFC. It was Celebrity MMA without Dustin Diamond or Danny Bonaduce. It was just another way to make money for Dana White and it sounds like it worked. But it also sounds like Punk has no further value in the Octagon. Hopefully for UFC, Punk endeared himself enough to the audience that he can go in to an on camera role. He would probably excel there.

But as a legit fighter, despite his inspirational speech, it sounds like no one should waste another penny on fights.
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Old 09-12-2016, 02:15 PM
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I just watched the fight and his post match speech. He looked totally out of his depth in there. He was pretty beat up - thankfully he's okay. I respect him for trying something new and seeing if he can do it, and it's not like he did anything by half measures. The man was in amazing shape, but there is something slightly damaging here for pro-wrestling as a whole. Pro-wrestlers are supposed to sell the illusion of being strong, durable, superhuman, whatever - this just blows it all out of the water. People know wrestling isn't real, they don't need sobering proof like this that they can't 'really fight'.

I dunno, maybe I'm way off the mark here but that's my initial reaction/feeling. I'm not sure it was Punk's intention when he took the fight - Is still respect the man enormously.

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Old 09-13-2016, 05:58 AM
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Did I read correctly that Punk had to cut 15lbs to make weight? Just looking at him compared to Gall. Punk had no muscle mass, and looked skin and bones. While Gall looked to have quite the build to him. Of course he easily took him down, and was able to control the entire match. I wonder if Punk would have been better served being in a more heavier weight class?
No, because if he did he would have been fighting guys that are naturally BIGGER than the next weight class, but cut down to have a natural weight advantage. CM Punk's mistake was approaching this like a fan would. He thought pressuring a guy that had never been pressured was a good idea, but look how he went across the octagon. There's a reason you don't go in like that against a guy with a good ground game, lol.

His other mistake was not taking PEDs. Most athletes at this level use PEDs (probably all of them). Punk looked frail because he was legitimately his weight. What you saw was a guy that actually fought natural and that's why he physically looked so bad. And if anyone thinks Gall wasn't on anything because he didn't look jacked at his weight, just look at Lance Armstrong and you'll see that PEDs don't guarantee that you'll always look like a bodybuilder.
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Old 09-13-2016, 11:40 AM
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His other mistake was not taking PEDs. Most athletes at this level use PEDs (probably all of them). Punk looked frail because he was legitimately his weight. What you saw was a guy that actually fought natural and that's why he physically looked so bad. And if anyone thinks Gall wasn't on anything because he didn't look jacked at his weight, just look at Lance Armstrong and you'll see that PEDs don't guarantee that you'll always look like a bodybuilder.
Um, what?

It's true that competitive sports suffer from a constant race of dopers versus testers, but Brooks could have been injecting testosterone straight into his eyeballs and he would have gotten slaughtered. That was not a case of someone with unusual strength for his division overwhelming a smaller man; that fight was an example of someone who was outclassed in every single way. Not only did Phil Brooks exhibit no offense, he exhibited no meaningful defense.

The only way this fight could have gone worse for him was if the referee pulled out a pistol and shot him in the head afterwards.

Mickey Gall- who, for what it's worth, is completely outclassed himself by just about everyone else in the UFC- has been training since he's been allowed to train to be a fighter. Phil Brooks took this up as a hobby (and a pretty decent payday.) There is literally nothing he could have done outside of invent a time machine to make a difference in how that fight went.
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Yes, he did have to cut 15lbs at least. Punk has always been 15-25lbs heavier than this, (the heavier was when he debuted on ECW). Punk's natural weight its 15-18lbs more than 170 (said by him).
Punk went into this around 220 pounds and 12% body fat. He lost close to 50 pounds. He has said a lot of varying things about weight going into this, even his WWE stats were padded to 6'2" at some point. He's like 5'11 1/2 or 6".
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Um, what?

It's true that competitive sports suffer from a constant race of dopers versus testers, but Brooks could have been injecting testosterone straight into his eyeballs and he would have gotten slaughtered. That was not a case of someone with unusual strength for his division overwhelming a smaller man; that fight was an example of someone who was outclassed in every single way. Not only did Phil Brooks exhibit no offense, he exhibited no meaningful defense.

The only way this fight could have gone worse for him was if the referee pulled out a pistol and shot him in the head afterwards.

Mickey Gall- who, for what it's worth, is completely outclassed himself by just about everyone else in the UFC- has been training since he's been allowed to train to be a fighter. Phil Brooks took this up as a hobby (and a pretty decent payday.) There is literally nothing he could have done outside of invent a time machine to make a difference in how that fight went.
At the degree MMA has evolved in the past years... he would need a time machine to have a background in amateur wrestling, youth BJJ, boxing or even football. As far as Mickey Gall - he is now at high risk against other fighters... he is now on a high stage and has only fought 0-0 and 0-1 fighters. He got a serious meal ticket for this - even though he made like 30k$ as opposed to likely a million+ after pay-per-view buys.

He trained for two years... rushed in, threw a weak punch... got double legged, didn't sprawl... got taken down - threw some weak rabbit punches... started getting rained on. He has a white belt in BJJ once it goes to the ground against a brown belt - dead in the water. Props for the fight not being stopped sooner from strikes and for him to take the beating he did. But taking a beating doesn't make you a professional fighter. You can go a local MMA promotion as a celebrity and get a pay day as pro wrestler for a lot of people or promotions like Bellator.

It isn't Bobby Lashley or Brock Lesnar. Even Kurt Angle in his youth would have smashed a brown belt - like Lesnar is a blue or purple belt to know basic BJJ defense, armbars and chokes. Very, very strange scenario considering the time they put into building this fight with a webseries. Dana looked pissed and embarassed afterwards - I think he at least expected him to put up some fight.

He is now the least effective fight in UFC history - 0 takedowns, no takedown defense, no significant strikes - loss submission in first round - 0,1.

You also can't tell me that Dolph wouldn't at least defend a fucking double leg takedown in round one. Especially with two years to professionally train. He has like a record setting amateur wrestling record on a collegiate level. Not that Dolph would draw - just saying. Punk wasn't really naturally athletic and he must have had a lot of people filling him with hopes and dreams on the coaching staff and team because he was a humble, cool celebrity who always showed up. He also didn't train for free. He had one of the top three striking coaches in the world.

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