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Old 02-04-2016, 10:23 AM
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If this had been done in WWE, you would all shit on the product like it was the ultimate sin of wrestling. LU is absolutely the worst example of wrestling I've ever seen, and that's including modern day TNA. I gave this show a chance because of the talent I was hearing about, and the people kept saying that it was good. Not to mention the backing of AAA which I highly respect as a legitimate contender in terms of "best wrestling company". Also, I happened to miss the Lucha Libre USA that was on MTV2 not long ago and thought this would be a nice replacement.

I was wrong. There was so much wrong with this that I just can't even see how people like it. And the worst part is, this has to be the best display of production value out there today. If ROH could find a camera crew to work like this, then they'd be in straight money. The problem is that there are cheap sound effects, the storylines make absolutely no sense, and the action is way too anti-story telling that it takes away from the product. I happen to like watching AAA and CMLL whenever I can, preferably AAA. And even in those companies, they take the time to properly sell the moves and tell stories. Yes Lucha Libre is faster than American wrestling, I get that. But this? This is pure trash. And that really bothers me because the talent pool that LU has is down right godly.
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lucha underground isn'T a wrestling show, it'S not even REAL lucha, it's just a tv show that have stage match to advance a story and that's o.k, if you like this type of entertainment but it's just that, entertainment. If you want to see real lucha libre try to watch some matches from CMLL, that what lucha libre is supposed to be.
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Personally I think their TV show format will be beneficial to them as time goes on. Lucha Underground's TV style deviates from the sports format more than any wrestling show I've ever seen but somehow it works. Don't get me wrong, I'll always love the traditional wrestling style where it's presented as a sport and I never want that to go away but because LU presents it as a TV show it gives them avenues and different ways to actually give a shit about what's going on.

I will say without a doubt they do a much better job of building their talent and stories than any other North American promotion out there and I think they're in the lead by a country mile from what I've seen and they do a MUCH better job to actually make the audience care about what's going on. I love the fact they treat all their personalities seriously, they do a good job introducing these guys (like PJ Black and Rey Mysterio last night) and they don't treat their talent like a joke including the girls. They take their time in building up to Ultima Lucha, they don't blow their load in 2 weeks like WWE and TNA does and it's probably the only wrestling show ever that can actually take an off-season and come back without skipping a beat.

It may not be for everyone and I get that, especially for the traditional wrestling fan out there but because Lucha Underground doesn't try and pretend it's something it's not, because it's different and because they treat it seriously I think this show has a real chance of making it long term. It only took 1 episode of Season 2 to bring in a 3rd season so they're obviously doing something right.
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If this had been done in WWE, you would all shit on the product like it was the ultimate sin of wrestling. LU is absolutely the worst example of wrestling I've ever seen, and that's including modern day TNA. I gave this show a chance because of the talent I was hearing about, and the people kept saying that it was good. Not to mention the backing of AAA which I highly respect as a legitimate contender in terms of "best wrestling company". Also, I happened to miss the Lucha Libre USA that was on MTV2 not long ago and thought this would be a nice replacement.

I was wrong. There was so much wrong with this that I just can't even see how people like it. And the worst part is, this has to be the best display of production value out there today. If ROH could find a camera crew to work like this, then they'd be in straight money. The problem is that there are cheap sound effects, the storylines make absolutely no sense, and the action is way too anti-story telling that it takes away from the product. I happen to like watching AAA and CMLL whenever I can, preferably AAA. And even in those companies, they take the time to properly sell the moves and tell stories. Yes Lucha Libre is faster than American wrestling, I get that. But this? This is pure trash. And that really bothers me because the talent pool that LU has is down right godly.
Hahahahahahahahaha. Thanks Jim Cornette

God help that anything is different from something else. One of the biggest complaints that TNA has had is that it is WWE-lite. So now a company decides to be a tv show based on a wrestling company as a way to differentiate itself. I look at Lucha Underground as being the wrestling version of Kingdom. You might not like it but it could help attract new fans (not helped by the fact that it airs on El Rey).

Besides its not like you cant say the same thing about WWE at various times
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Old 02-05-2016, 12:48 AM
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If this had been done in WWE, you would all shit on the product like it was the ultimate sin of wrestling.
This is accurate, but somewhat unfair. I think zombies are the tits, but I'd be disappointed if they showed up in season 4 of the Wire.

I won't fault you for your dislike of their wrestling, because, hey, to each their own. Personally I think editing has a lot to do with the lack of selling, but that's just a hypothesis, nor should it color your view. I do enjoy LU wrestling for its highlight reel, but if it was without the storylines I probably wouldn't be so invested. LU matches are mostly spotfests. That's okay. I can enjoy a good spotfest. However, season one was littered with more than enough 4 star gems amongst the spotfests to merit enjoyment from a wrestling purist view.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:28 AM
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Hahahahahahahahaha. Thanks Jim Cornette
Considering Jim Cornette is regarded as one of the best bookers from his generation, I'll take that as a compliment. You could've called me worse.

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God help that anything is different from something else. One of the biggest complaints that TNA has had is that it is WWE-lite. So now a company decides to be a tv show based on a wrestling company as a way to differentiate itself. I look at Lucha Underground as being the wrestling version of Kingdom. You might not like it but it could help attract new fans (not helped by the fact that it airs on El Rey).
TNA is an example of how not to be the same, LU is an example of how not to be different. To me, a perfect balance would be more-so NJPW where they're not trying to be WWE but they still showcase some sound in ring work. And while I don't necessarily watch every single NJPW show to know the vast storylines and such, there can be some exciting matches at times. And maybe when they taped the matches at LU, they seemed great. But it doesn't come across that way on my television, at least not to me.

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Besides its not like you cant say the same thing about WWE at various times
You must be new here. If WWE did something I didn't like, I'd say something. For example, when they decided to push Charlotte in front of Sasha Banks or Becky Lynch to be the first of the three to win the Diva's title. I even complained when they had Big Show go over Eric Rowen years ago. And to be honest, I'm not exactly too thrilled that they're force feeding us a second Y2J vs. Styles match when those two can be used for much better rivalries. Being WWE doesn't exempt them from me criticizing them, in fact it makes it worse for them because I expect far more from the world's leading wrestling company.
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We are now two episodes into season two of Lucha Underground. I know there have been a couple threads about the company so far, but I thought a thread encapsulating discussion as the season goes on is due.

Whoa dude, I thought I clicked new thread. Oh well.

Solid episode two. I love the idea of Mil Muertes up on his throne more and more. As presented in the Mundo/Cage segment and the tag team main event, all rivalries, while still personal, are a road to the Lucha Underground Championship. This was true back in season one as well, but Mil's presence is selling every feud!

It looks as if Cage is moving forward as a face, which I'm all for. I absolutely adore the fact that while Cage and Pentagon have turned, they are still 100% true to their character. Take note, Big Show.

I'm still not loving the lighting. I get it. It's darker because Mil and Catrina rule the temple, but any lighting designer worth his salt could have done something better than this. The lighting could have been a blue-gray tint on the temple, suggesting a deathly chill, as opposed to obscuring it all in darkness. Mundo was lost looking for Cage in the crowd, but it robbed the audience of the fun of looking for him as well.

Speaking of, the 'Believers' are verging on NXT-crowd levels of annoying. It was Justin fricken Gabriel. Why are you chanting 'Holy Shit' as if the second coming of Sting has just shown up? Oh well, as long as you're having a good time, I guess.

Slick reveal of Rey Mysterio after the credits. I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm not naive to how much of a coup he is for Lucha Underground. I hope they use him well
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Considering Jim Cornette is regarded as one of the best bookers from his generation, I'll take that as a compliment. You could've called me worse.


your showing that your just as out of touch as Cornette is with that statement. He might have been one of the best bookers of his generations, but that generation has long gone and wrestling has evolved. Cornette has become/is a rambling nutjob (high on his own over inflated ego) about how wrestling should be conducted the way it was back in the 80s as a legit sport . Cornette is basically the "ITS STILL REAL TO ME" guy with a job.
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Also, I happened to miss the Lucha Libre USA that was on MTV2 not long ago and thought this would be a nice replacement.
Really?
You have to be trolling. Lucha Libre USA could not be described as anything other than unadulterated garbage. It was the very definition of an unwatchable TV wrestling product. If you actually enjoyed it you have just proven your opinion on LU to be invalid, because you obviously have laughably bad taste when it comes to what is a good wrestling program.
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