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Old 01-21-2016, 04:37 AM
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With the way they were booked since arriving no seems like a very safe answer. Like it's hard to imagine a pair of guys that would be able to make the bad LOD thing work, and it's even harder to imagine how anyone thought that making them look dumb on Raw thanks to much older part-timers was a good idea. OK sure they got the win in that feud but that somehow just got them sent straight to jobberville.

At the rate they're going I would be very, very tempted to send them back to NXT. The in-ring skill is obviously there but perhaps they can work more on their promos and lets just say extra time in NXT's gym instead of being on the road definitely couldn't hurt. With time people will forget how low they've fallen and they can eventually re-debut as a actual useful part of the main roster.
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:48 AM
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....WWE has done everything to dismantle this team from how they were booked in NXT.
Or perhaps it was just Vince McMahon, who is the one who would have ordered their de-push.

Does Vince even watch NXT? We know he's left the whole operation to his son-in-law, so maybe he accepted Trips' suggestion that these guys were ready to move up, and once they got to the main roster, Vince promised to 'give it a few weeks' to see what developed. When he didn't like what he saw, on came the descension of the Ascension.

Of course, there's no way to know if this is what happened or not, but it sure would explain why they sunk to the bottom in a hurry.
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Old 01-21-2016, 11:29 PM
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I was never impressed by The Ascension 2.0, even on NXT. I won't disagree that they were set up for failure, then eventually torpedoed on the main roster, but they were never going to go anywhere even booked as a threat.

Kenneth Cameron (now Bram in TNA) had a great look, and Konnor next to him looked like a threatening and dark team. Viktor is what killed it for me. The dude is rocking the balding pony tail and I doubt that he truly is his billed height of 6 foot 2. He's probably closer to 5'10 irl.

Konnor would have made for a great Jannetty to the Cameron, but that guy went and fought the law, you know the rest.

It's all the look to me. They're average to good wrestlers, they didn't command attention, they're look didn't display that they're worth watching. You debut these guys with this dark gimmick, this yelling and unstoppable gimmick, and half the team is smaller than Damien Sandow who works essentially a Nancy-boy gimmick, what's that?

I thought they were a joke in NXT when they were running roughshod over jobbers every week. Everyone looks tough against jobbers. The Ascension was the wrong gimmick for Viktor, and basically doomed Konnor.

Maybe if they didn't wear the face paint, worked the whole Illuminati thing, and didn't run down the legends, it might have worked. They're average at best. There are far more exciting teams coming down the pipe through NXT, teams that have much more potential than the Ascension ever had. The Ascension were done the night Kenneth Cameron was arrested.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:53 AM
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To be honest, I have never liked them on Main Roster. Their debut run was too much like a squash and they were left off wandering just like that. Their finisher was dumb and their continuous bashing of veteran teams and then getting retreated to backstage by some veterans made them look like a joke.

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Old 01-22-2016, 09:57 AM
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Yes, The Ascension did stand a chance. And yes, they can still be salvaged, in my opinion. They made a few silly mistakes, but nothing too serious that cannot be undone. Trying to sell them as the modern day Road Warriors was never going to work, they should have known that. If one team starts putting people through tables, they won't become the Dudley Boys. Add to that, the commentary team's goof-up, and Animal taking offence to certain segments, it was pretty much screwed. I agree with Vanilla that their size is a problem, and it's hard to be scared of little monsters. I think they could add a third member, and Stardust can continue to play that role (even without formally becoming a part of The Ascension), but two things need to happen- 1. Stardust should stop being a comedy character; he should be similar to them in behaviour, 2. Keep it simple. Book them as three serious, merciless, angry wrestlers. That's it. They don't have to be monsters, they don't have to be an unstoppable force. If these two things are done, I feel that they can be more successful than they have been thus far.
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Old 01-22-2016, 10:15 AM
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To be fair to Vince, the crowds seemed indifferent to them. Perhaps it was just the gimmick? Also, I think NXT was just really breaking out as the Ascension were preparing their...Ascension...

They're solid- but unexceptional- workers and they do have a certain amount of...I don't know if personality or charisma is the word I'm thinking of. But I do like their aggressive style of promos, even if they have no weight because they look all the time. In NXT, they shined because they were booked incredibly well. On the main roster though, it would look odd seeing them dominate the likes of Big E, Cesaro, the Wyatts, etc.

While you can argue that their victory against NAO is a plus, Billy Gunn didn't really make them look good. If you watch the match, the goal almost seems to be getting HIM over instead of the Ascension, even if they won.
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Old 01-22-2016, 10:26 AM
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I'll say the Ascension stood a chance, however it wasn't a very great one. Sure they got more hype and pageantry upon their debut than most people get, but they were also saddled with a gimmick that didn't have much of a shot of getting over. A gimmick completely different than what they'd just spent two years developing. They were given mic time, but as soon as they said something a tad bit controversial they were essentially buried. Also, the ANNOUNCERS. I have never seen an announce team bury a team or a wrestler as bad as Cole, King, and JBL buried the Ascension. It was honestly fucking pathetic. Lastly, they were still fairly green when they debuted. Everybody expected them to just jump in and win the titles but they didn't have the experience needed to thrive.

At the end of the day, the Ascension had a chance to get over. They were given mic time, air time, decent feuds, etc. But they were handicapped by shitty booking, bad management, and being put in a position they weren't ready for. And ultimately, they were buried after just a few short months. So they had a shot, but a very very slim one.
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Old 01-22-2016, 10:44 AM
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No, I don't think they stood a chance at all on the main roster. They were alot better in NXT, but even then I don't think the team was as good with Viktor as it was when it was Kenneth Cameron and Connor O'Brien (Konnor). They worked much better together.

Plus, I really don't understand why their dark gimmick was completely ripped apart when they debuted on the main roster. What is the point of a talent learning a gimmick in NXT, getting it over with the crowd and perfecting it, then starting totally from scratch when they get to the main roster. Isn't the point of developmental to give wrestlers to chance to master their gimmick, DEVELOPING it into something that's good and ready for the main WWE?

Making them a Road Warriors clone was never going to work. Fans were obviously going to turn on a pathetic clone of arguably the most popular tag team of all time. It's just like if WWE tried to make a rip-off of Hulk Hogan, or The Rock...it just wouldn't work, and it killed The Ascension from the get go. JBL's burial of them was disgraceful too, it was embarassing.

Plus, both members of The Ascension need to get back in the gym. Konnor looks awful these days, and Viktor doesn't even look like a wrestler...and for the love of God shave off that ponytail. It looks terrible!
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Old 01-23-2016, 12:30 AM
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Agreed with the previous poster. If they had not decided to 'tweak' gimmick they may have stood a chance. I was watching one of their old vignettes on YouTube and found it really impressive. If they had used a similar style to promote their main roster debut, kept the same gimmick/ring attire from nxt and talked less then who knows. Imagine if they had a brood style entrance to go with their 'we will rise vigeettes' and destroyed/attacked the tag champs in their debut?
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Old 01-26-2016, 01:09 PM
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Nope, as they are they're a bargain basement Legion of Doom/Road Warriors tribute act, and that's probably all they ever will be short of completely changing their look and/or gimmick.
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