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Old 07-21-2015, 10:50 PM
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And I disagree with that sentiment. Because your example does not show the baseline average of the cities your theoretical baseball teams played in. Look at the numbers that kane drew with Cena, Bryan, Orton, and Reigns. Then compare those numbers to what those 4 were drawing between themselves and others. It's the comparably the same. Reigns vs Orton is drawing the same as Reigns vs Kane. Same with Wyatt vs Daniel, or Cena vs Orton. It's not a coincidence that Cena vs Wyatt doesn't draw nearly as much as Cena vs Kane. You cannot attribute the high numbers that Kane was drawing to the fact that he was fighting an established face.
I admire you working so hard to stick up for Kane but I like what this guy had to say better.

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If you are talking about drawing in the historical sense, then no. No modern day wrestlers are draws. The WWE brand name is what draws all the attention and live houses and whatnot. Even a large percent of gates are now feed through sponsors and advertisements. Popularity can be measured in marketability though. And most superstars have at least a pinky toe dipped in that pool. I'd say Cena, Orton, and Lesnar are the big 3 in that regard. Though I see plenty of Ryback, Bryan, Reigns, and Ziggler gear too.

But yeah, marketing is the new form of "drawing" in this era. I'd say that applies to Austin and Rock too. In fact I'd name Hogan as wrestling's last "true" draw.
Kane ain't marketable. Not that he is supposed to be. He is a heel flunky.
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Old 07-21-2015, 10:56 PM
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I'm not a fan of the way that house show analysis was done. Any monkey could chuck that data set into excel and count which is what that analysis effectively did.
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Old 07-21-2015, 10:58 PM
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But he totally wouldn't though.
I have my doubts on that too but Kane has always been great about putting talent over.
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I have my doubts on that too but Kane has always been great about putting talent over.
kane has no problem whatsoever putting over talent

creative team wouldn't allow rollins to go over clean though
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Cena vs Rollins....if it takes place, should be title vs title. If theres anything I cant stand its when a wrestler loses midcard title and is thus put right into the world title picture. I know its pro wrestling at all...but at least try and make a little sense.

And yes Rollins should go over..
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:26 PM
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Kane ain't marketable. Not that he is supposed to be. He is a heel flunky.
And I agree. He's not particularly all that marketable anymore. But he was at one point. I wouldn't expect Kane to win, just the match between him and Rollins would be fun to watch and would be interesting. I merely pointed out to those that insinuated that the match would suck and would make no sense because Kane isn't interesting anymore, were wrong as he does in fact still draw as a house show headliner. The comments you quoted from me in the second half were describing live shows like RAW and SD, which I stand by, but not untelevised house shows. WWE doesn't do much of any marketing of those at all besides event scheduling, and it's mostly the marketed main event that packs those houses.
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I believe Seth/Kane could be a very good match. Seth can have a good match with anyone.

The thing I've enjoyed most about Seth's title reign is his constant belittlement of Kane. They've had great chemistry together; it only makes sense they have a match upon Kane's return.

Although, I will say it's the kind of match that co-headlines a pay-per-view, not main events it (ie: Bad Blood 2004 - Chris Benoit vs. Kane for the World Title). And Seth should go over clean as a whistle if it happens.
Rollins doesn't need to go over clean against anyone, really. He's playing the biggest coward since Miz held the title, so winning clean means nothing until he turns into a babyface at some point.
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