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Old 10-04-2013, 11:26 AM
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Well here's another thread by me, i have been told on many occasions that i make to many topics, but no one else seems to be making any.
so the topic of the day is sandow gonna cash in.
so if sandow cashes in and rvd is gone. and with christian injured it looks like the del rio vs sandow but who turns face? del rio was a good face but is it to soon?should sandow get a new gimmick and become a face? would sandow be a good face? or would you prefer del rio?
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Old 10-04-2013, 12:37 PM
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Sandow is a natural heel. Del Rio, I have no idea where he is best used. But as for Sandow he should and always stay a heel while he is in this character. The use of big words, his overall attitude, does not sit well with the WWE Universe and he will always be a heel for it. Take Jericho when he slowed down how he spoke and he used big words to make the audience feel not as smart as he was. It made the fans hate him and that's where Sandow could go. I do find him very funny at times but overall he makes a great heel.

As for a title run, I think this is where you have new main event guys step up. Or you have Ziggler make it back into a title picture. Give Del Rio one rematch and that be it. He doesn't need to be in the title picture, it just hasn't worked, the heat on Del Rio is gone and I personally don't care when he's on TV anymore.
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Old 10-04-2013, 02:59 PM
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agreed. keep Sandow as a heel for the next few years. I believe he has all the tools to have a good run as a top heel, something that is missing in the WWE these days (outside of the McMahons)
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:06 PM
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Everything about Sandow's character from his mannerisms to the way he carries himself to even the way he holds a microphone, which is like someone might hold a glass of brandy, practically screams heel. In order for Sandow to be a believable face, a new persona would definitely be needed and, in my opinion, WWE hasn't gotten nearly as much out of the "Intellectual Savior of the Masses" as they can.

I ultimately see Sandow successfully cashing in the Money in the Bank briefcase before this year is out, becoming World Heavyweight Champion. I'd be a lot more excited about that prospect if WWE wasn't using the heavily over used formula of tearing Sandow down so he can be built back up again after winning the title. It's a formula that can work, but WWE's employed it far too often when Money in the Bank is concerned. As of right now, it's also looking like Cody Rhodes is finally going to be given the opportunity to reach that next level in his career. Generally speaking, I see Cody Rhodes challenging Sandow for the title at some point, possibly at the Royal Rumble or at WrestleMania next year.
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:13 PM
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I can't even imagine a heel Damien Sandow. Everything about him, as Jack-Hammer has pointed out, from his attire to the way he walks to the way he even holds a microphone screams "Hate Me". If Sandow is going to be a face, he will have to change everything about himself.

Probably even his facial hair, too, 'cuz that is the beard of a heel.

Del Rio should turn face because he isn't going anywhere as a heel right now. Or you could let a heel face a heel. It's happened before. In fact, that might be perfect for Del Rio and could help him cross over as somebody the fans will root for.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:33 PM
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I think sometimes we confuse the term face as being an attribute of someone who only espouses the purest of virtues. The second you become likable, no matter what your moral alignment may be, you become a face. Stone Cold was a face (in the states) when he kayfabe broke Bret Hart's knee, Eddie Guerrero was a face when he cheated to give Mr. Kennedy his first loss and Ric Flair was a face when he made the low blow part of his usual repertoire.

Damien Sandow a face? Easy. Just give him a righteous cause that passes as justifiable. They may have to allow him to pull off something clever, maybe he makes a vague prediction that comes true or has a huge on-screen falling out with HHH and manages to exploit the fine print of a random legal document (maybe HHH's marraige license). Give him something that shows off a profound amount of insight into the particulars of law or politics without drowning it in detail and maybe give him Lord Steven Regal's old gimmick of being able to figure out how to reverse any move.

It's my understanding that he attended Worcester University, I don't know if he graduated with anything significant. Maybe he suddenly changes his tone if they do a show in Massachusetts and becomes a more serious character while espousing a love of the pursuit of knowledge. They could make him the posterchild of a stay in school campaign. It's a longshot, but I'm really hoping that the WWE might change his theme music to Escape by Craig Armstrong.

Either way, his character has honestly grown on me. His sleight of hand when he was doing the classic shell game scheme on Shaemus was spot-on, and it takes a hell of a lot more talent to play a sophisticated thug. He seems to have good psychology in the ring. If they're going to let him have the belt under any circumstances, they need to give him some better moves or at least a better set-up for his finisher.

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Old 10-04-2013, 08:25 PM
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Sandow is a great heel using the Nick Bockwinkle formula. He needs to start calling people plebeians, that would be great. I'm sorry, but Sandow as a face would be terrible, just like how Lanny Poffo was a much better heal.
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I never thought Sandow was going to cash in last night, because Alberto Del Rio is a bad guy and I can't remember a time a heel cashed in on another heel, although I might be mistaken.

As for Damien Sandow, it's true that everything in his current persona screams "heel," but it's also true that anyone who had a WWE career of any length eventually gets to play the other side of the fence. I couldn't envision Sheamus ever playing a face; yet look how good at it he's been. If Sheamus can do it, so can the Intellectual Savior.

But, like some others in this topic, I don't think the company has gotten nearly enough mileage out of Sandow's heel-dom ways. I suppose a lot of this determination has to do with how the MITB plans are to be handled.

One thing: I can certainly see Damien being the second briefcase holder to fail in his cash-in attempt. Just can't see him as a world champion. Not at this stage of his career, anyway.
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Damien Sandow should not turn face. His character right now works perfectly. He uses big words and acts like he is better than anyone else. This is annoying to fans, thus he is getting a good amount of heel heat. Why make him a face or give him a new gimmick when this one is working so well? He should remain a heel for a very long time. Just have Alberto turn face and have Sandow cash in on him. That would be a great feud filled with good matches and promos.

I cannot think of a way that Sandow's character could possibly work as a face and I would rather them not give him a new gimmick. It works best as a heel and he's done very well with the character. The simplest solution would be to turn Alberto face as I already mentioned. Or have someone like Dolph win the belt. Either way, Damien is going to use his chocolate briefcase sooner or later and I predict he will be World Heavyweight Champion before Wrestlemania. There's no reason to turn him face as that would undo a lot of the momentum he has gotten under this stuck up heel persona. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, the old saying goes.
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I never thought Sandow was going to cash in last night, because Alberto Del Rio is a bad guy and I can't remember a time a heel cashed in on another heel, although I might be mistaken.
Jack Swagger cashed in on Chris Jericho when both were heels, but that's been the only time.

I can't recall the last time someone has debuted to the roster as anything other then a heel. As Randy Orton has said, it's easier to be a heel, so given that logic, there's less pressure on the performer when they debut. Sandow hasn't shown he can truly get over as a heel without cheap heat(insulting the crowd), so how is he supposed to get over in a more difficult fashion, as a face? I can't see it.

Moreso, turning face would undermine the entire idea behind the gimmick, which is an intellectual who's smarter than you and I. Turning Sandow face would almost mean repackaging him, which he doesn't need right now. Although I don't see much in him, WWE obviously does.

If they didn't, I highly doubt he'ld be holding MITB right now.

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Those aren't the only two options, as there are others that could easily be brought into the World Championship picture. Big Show and Dolph Ziggler, for example, are men who are faces, have been involved in the main event scene recently, and have past history with Del Rio. There would be nothing wrong with Sandow cashing in on Del Rio, for example, as a heel doesn't have to cash in on a face. But if that's the issue, there are existing face superstars who could credibly take the title from Del Rio, only to be cashed in on Sandow, still a heel.
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