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Old 08-19-2013, 10:41 PM
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A few minutes ago on Raw a vignette was show, teasing the debut of a "new" masked tag team that appear to be Mexican matadors, basically reusing the gimmick Tito Santana used in the early '90s. Also it seems as though this team will be using the "Ole, Ole, Ole" chant that El Generico couldn't use, but this new team can...

Although the preview was short, it appeared to me that the two masked men are in fact Primo and Epico.

Personally, I think this looks incredibly stupid, but what do you guys think, does this have any chance of getting over, should they have just stayed as Primo and Epico?
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It's a matador but that doesn't make it Tito. Also, it's a gimmick, it's not the "cookie cutter wwe guy" so I don't have a complaint. I like gimmicks, you need variety in the WWE and I'm at least going to give them a shot. I thought maybe it was Generico at first and got excited.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:10 AM
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You know with this repackage of the Colons, it makes a nice title tag division. They actually punched it pretty hard tonight too.

To look down the list, you have the Shield, Usos, 3MB, Wyatts, the Matadores, Tons of Funk, Show/Henry. I'm holding out hope that when Tyson Kidd comes back that we'll get International Air Strike back, and that when Bourne comes back we get a short stint of Air Boom. Finally, if Rey comes back that we came get a stint of Rey/ Cara.

However, even with the seven teams, the E can book the title feud and book a secondary feud while keeping 3MB around as fodder. It's looking good.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:46 AM
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You know with this repackage of the Colons, it makes a nice title tag division. They actually punched it pretty hard tonight too.

To look down the list, you have the Shield, Usos, 3MB, Wyatts, the Matadores, Tons of Funk, Show/Henry. I'm holding out hope that when Tyson Kidd comes back that we'll get International Air Strike back, and that when Bourne comes back we get a short stint of Air Boom. Finally, if Rey comes back that we came get a stint of Rey/ Cara.

However, even with the seven teams, the E can book the title feud and book a secondary feud while keeping 3MB around as fodder. It's looking good.
Don't forget the Prime Time Players and the Real Americans!

But seriously, just to continue off of this, I was thinking the same thing when I saw Los Matadores vignette. The WWE displayed a lot of tag teams on Raw. We had a decent match between the Real Americans and PTP (who are now faces, which balances out the division). We also had a decent match between the Usos and 3MB. Although they didn't wrestle, the Wyatt family accompanied Bray to the ring as usual. Los Matadores had their first vignette. We got to see the Shield in action twice (yes I know they weren't tag matches, but they were all showcased). Speaking of the Shield, Big Show basically confirmed that he and Henry want the tag titles. So yes, things are looking up.

Back to topic of the vignette, I would like to point out to the OP that the "Ole" in the vignette is not the same as what's chanted during El Generico/Sami Zayn matches. Real matadors say "Ole" during bull fights. The chants of "Ole, ole, ole, ole" are from sporting events and are still used during Sami Zayn's NXT matches.

Also being a matador =/= them being Mexican. Matadors are in various countries with Spanish influences.

I'm not sure what to expect. In my eyes, it looks like they're meant to be a comedy team. I guess we'll wait and see.
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Eh, I'm not really all that confident in this. On the surface, I can't exactly say I'm overly thrilled about this as it definitely seems to be a dated gimmick using he heritage of a different culture that could, quite possibly, rely on a lot of outdated stereotypes. But I'll ultimately hold off my final opinion until I actually know more and see what's what.

On top of that, I flat out don't like Matadors. I've seen footage of bullfights and it's sickening to see how bulls are tortured for amusement. That's really all it is when you get right down to it. Sorry if that offends anybody as it's not meant to be a slur against those of Latino descent but I'd believe exactly the same way if it was done in America, China, or anywhere else. I hate the idea of torturing an animal for sport & amusement, and especially the notion of calling it a sport. Hemmingway said that bullfighting was one of the only real sports and while he was a great writer, he was also one hell of a windbag whose image as this macho adventurer had far more style than substance. If you want to make it a sport, throw away the swords & spears and take the bull on with your bare hands. Let's see you prove your manhood when its just you, the bull and whatever tools God gave both.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:07 AM
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A few minutes ago on Raw a vignette was show, teasing the debut of a "new" masked tag team that appear to be Mexican matadors, basically reusing the gimmick Tito Santana used in the early '90s. Also it seems as though this team will be using the "Ole, Ole, Ole" chant that El Generico couldn't use, but this new team can...
I'm not trying to make excuses for WWE but it's kind of a different situation as Epico & Primo are actually of Hispanic descent. After all, El Generico, now known as Sami Zayn in NXT and real name Rami Sebai, is a Canadian of Syrian descent with bright red hair. A Canadian man of Syrian ancestry with red hair playing the role of a Mexican luchadore? It really is kind of silly when you get right down to it. Matt Bloom, better known as Albert & now Tensai, didn't exactly get a warm welcome when he showed up in the role of an Asian monster heel. A unique idea? Sure it was. But unique and good don't always go hand in hand.

El Generico is fine for the indy scene, it helped him stand out after all. But if you were to put him on live television on Raw, a lot of people wouldn't know how to take him. He's shown himself to be a very talented wrestler overall in NXT but if I had no idea who he was and saw him show up on television with that sort of character, the first thought in my mind would be that the concept is so absurd that he's going to be another version of Santino Marella.
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I think this is going to be stupid and fail miserably. I don't mind repackaging and gimmick changes but when you change ones nationality like Puerto Rican to Mexican I feel it insults our intelligence. This group didn't really need a gimmick, they just needed a push. We'll see where it goes, but I'm guessing that they are not going to get much of a reaction.
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I think it's going to be stupid and AWESOME. This is what the tag team division needs, which by the way, what a division! Two years ago, The Uso's were the only real team on the roster. Things have certainly changed for the better, and I'm loving it. This debut does make me think that a current team will be dissolving soon. My guess is 3MB, but who knows? Maybe they'll stick around for awhile.
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While the gimmick is kind of corny I do like the fact that they are trying to improve the tag division. I know Los Matadores are not a new team but Primo and Epico have been absent for long enough that It makes them feel new. This gives them 8 real teams to work with plus Big Show & Mark Henry.
If Los Matadores are allowed to wrestle their style I think they can get over with the crowd. I've always been a fan of Primo's ring work. As for Epico he is decent but together they work well. I hope the gimmick doesn't fail for their sake because this could be their last chance.
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I'm indifferent. This screams early 90s gimmick. I'm guessing it's a parody from that time.

Will it be popular? Probably. It's not like we haven't seen weird gimmicks be popular and catch on with the crowd in the WWE. How long will it stay popular? Until the WWE has them losing to Tons of Funk and PTP.

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On top of that, I flat out don't like Matadors. I've seen footage of bullfights and it's sickening to see how bulls are tortured for amusement. That's really all it is when you get right down to it. Sorry if that offends anybody as it's not meant to be a slur against those of Latino descent
Bullfighting is practically dead in Mexico. In Spain it's become kind of a tricky subject among the civilians and it's cultural significance. Still, this is just WWE creative pointing to a geographical location and asking:

What is Spain know for?

Soccer
Flamenco
Bullfighting

...and just picking one of those.

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El Generico is fine for the indy scene, it helped him stand out after all. But if you were to put him on live television on Raw, a lot of people wouldn't know how to take him. He's shown himself to be a very talented wrestler overall in NXT but if I had no idea who he was and saw him show up on television with that sort of character, the first thought in my mind would be that the concept is so absurd that he's going to be another version of Santino Marella.
Sami Zayn has greater potential and a longer shelf life than El Generico.
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