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Old 02-28-2013, 05:10 AM
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Hogan wanted the match with Slaughter and not the Warrior so it's irrelevant what match woulda been better, it was all part of milking the Gulf War which ended in Slaughter getting death threats and the reason WrestleMania 7 was moved from the LA Stadium to an enclosed arena. Personally i didn't like WrestleMania 7 period with the exception of Warrior vs Savage which was a wrestling classic and Warrior's best match period. Hogan vs Slaughter leadup was pretty good considering how brief it was and the opening video to the show was great but the match was meh, so many Botchamania moments and the ending looked rushed and the rest of the card bar the Savage match was mediocre at best. Considering for all but one of the previous 6 WrestleMania's Hogan was the star, this certainly wasn't the case that year and it started the ball rolling for Hogan to step down permanently as the face of the company

Savage cost Warrior the title 2 months earlier so they had to have the fued ender
hmm never new Rude was even a consideration for the title. IC title yeah but not the world title then again we only got PPV's months behind back then not every show.
Can't see that woulda worked anyway, Roode was a jobber to Warrior who barely beat Hogan.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:54 AM
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No problem with the match. Just the fact that they put the title on Slaughter and the match was the main event. The stroy was enough to sell the fued and didn't need the title. However, the other top story at the time was between Warrior and Macho. Macho wanted a title shot and Warrior would not give it to him. Warriror should have retained the title at the Rumble (against someone other than Slaughter) or not have a title match at all and just be in the Rumble itself. Either way you can still build the Warrior/Macho match with Macho putting his career on the line for a shot at the title. Warrior was supposed to be the WWF's next big star and taking the title away from him 9 months into his reign was not a good choice. Remember this is before he had any disagreements with Vince. Mania VII should have been the place where Warrior continued his title reign and heighten his popularity.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:09 AM
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I hated the match. It was easily the one of the worst in-ring main event of a Wrestlemania that I have ever seen. Think about it: WM I had Hogan/Mr. T vs Piper/Orndorff, WM 2 had Hogan/Bundy in a cage for the title, WM 3 had Hogan/Andre, WM 4 had Savage/Dibiase, WM 5 had Hogan/Savage, WM 6 had Hogan/Warrior, WM 7 was Hogan/Slaughter obviously, WM 8 had Hogan/Justice+Savage/Flair I guess, WM 9 & 10 had Hart/Yokozuna, WM 11 had HBK/Diesel, WM 12 had HBK/Hart (classic), WM 13 had Taker/Sid, WM 14 had HBK/Austin, Wm 15 had Rock/Austin, WM 2000 had the four corners match, WM 17 was Rock/Austin, WM 18 was HHH/Jericho, WM 19 was Angle/Brock, WM 20 was HBK/HHH/Benoit, WM 21 was HHH/Batista, WM 22 was Cena/HHH, WM 23 was Cena/HBK, WM 24 was Edge/Undertaker, WM 25 & 26 was HBK/Undertaker, WM 27 was Miz/Cena, WM 28 was Rock/Cena.

Out of all of those, Hogan/Slaughter, Miz/Cena, HHH/Batista, and the Four Corners match could be considered worse. Add to the general apathy of the buildup, it's safe to say that WWF should've probably tried something else.
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Out of all of those, Hogan/Slaughter, Miz/Cena, HHH/Batista, and the Four Corners match could be considered worse. Add to the general apathy of the buildup, it's safe to say that WWF should've probably tried something else.
Have you ever actually watched the Hogan/Slaughter match? If you had there's no way you would rank it below WM 1, WM 2, and ESPECIALLY WM 8 in terms of match quality. Wrestlemania 8 is one of the biggest turd main events in the history. Not only did Sid and Hogan have zero chemistry in the ring, but botched interferences and a non-finish ending completely ruined it.

The funniest part about your reply is you didn't even consider WM 8's main event to be one of the worst when everyone else would probably have it as their #1.

People can say whatever they want about Wrestlemania 7, because it's their opinion... The matches may not have been very technically appealing, but almost all of them have had solid buildups.
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Have you ever actually watched the Hogan/Slaughter match?

The funniest part about your reply is you didn't even consider WM 8's main event to be one of the worst when everyone else would probably have it as their #1.
Yes, I've watched all of those matches and yes, I totally slipped up with Justice/Hogan. My mistake.

The WM 1 and 2 Main events weren't THAT bad to me. Are they on the short list of bad main events? Sure. But Hogan/Slaughter...I really hated the match itself. Couldn't stand it. Was bored to death. If I recall, Slaughter put Hogan in a reverse chinlock like 4 times for like half the match. There was little drama (yes, Hogan bled) and the crowd just felt flat for it. If they weren't excited to see Hogan beat up Slaughter, why should I be watching at home? I wasn't. Maybe the crowd was just worn out from Savage/Warrior, I don't know. That match was certainly the one of the night. Hogan/Slaughter just didn't sit well with me. I'm not sure there was a better alternative out there, but I hated the match.
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VII and VIII were both pretty bad, I think what made VIII worse was the ending. And some valid points about it not drawing and having to be moved to the LA Sports Arena. I figure Slaughter did probably get some death threats, but if WWF/E had over 100,000 tickets sold there's no way they would have moved it. If you watch WM VI when they come on and tout WM VII for the first time they went out of their way to pitch it being outdoors and the largest WM crowd ever etc. and then it ended up being sub 20,000. While people did want Hogan-Warrior II in hindsight its difficult to pull the trigger on that because of how good the Savage-Warrior match was. IMO Slaughter looked so weak against Warrior (what Savage had to do to Warrior for him to lose) that he never seemed like a threat to Hogan, and everything thats been said about the actual match and how dead the crowd is is true. So if you keep Savage-Warrior what do you do with Hogan? I know Hogan-Rude was mentioned but I don't see that one as drawing. I don't think you could really have Warrior lose to Rude at SummerSlam in his first defense after beating Hogan. While im certainly in the camp that Rick Rude was deserving of a World Title its difficult to find when the right time for that would have been. I guess they could have had Warrior-Savage as the main event for the championship and Hogan-Slaughter non title (like a loser leaves WWE since the war was over anyways) as the co-main event. Then perhaps have Hogan-Warrior II at SummerSlam and make it a huge event.
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The biggest mistake of the 90's was putting the belt on Slaughter - people just didn't want to go that route, the Iraqi angle was dodgy at best but by that stage we were bored of Hogan AND Warrior to an extent, that he had bombed as champion said more about how be was booked and promoted (the Phil Collins video) than his own ego or abilities. But Warrior too had a hand in his own demise. Rude was the classic case of the right guy being denied the opportunity cos of politics. It was a natuaral match for he and Warrior to face at WM7 for the big belt, Rude didn't actually have to win it till maybe the cage match at Summerslam but a Wrestlemania rematch, where both men had moved up the card would have excited the fans more than the USA crap that Hogan was espousing.

It made so little sense that Warrior didn't even just get the rematch - I get they wanted Randy off screen for a few months and face, but ultimately all it did was put the final nail in Warrior's career and give Slaughter an accolade he never actually deserved and cost them Rick Rude as he knew he was never gonna be used as he should have been, that WCW gave him such runs later was telling and one of the few times WCW actually picked up a fumble from WWF and made it work.

Yes, Savage v Warrior was Warrior's almost best match but his matches with Rude were better, so why not use that - even if Rude is gonna lose. Slaughter v Hogan didn't justify or need the title it was war for christs sake...

Would Hogan/Warrior 2 have worked - only with one of them heel and there was no way Hogan was going heel at that time - a heel Warrior, managed by Heenan might have worked but made little sense as they had been enemies for so long. The Jake Roberts thing was a little late IMO, had they gone there earlier, while Warrior was champ and avoided the ridiculous blindfold match then he could have manipulated Warrior heel and managed him at Mania/faced him at Summerslam. Jake could also have brought a great feud out of Warrior, maybe not enough to headline Mania, but defo a Summerslam/Survivor Series run.

WM7 was good in many ways, the sheer amount of talent on that show was pretty mindblowing when you look at it. It's just a shame so much of it was throwaway.
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Brain, your posts speak for themselves, you always have solid points and offer an objective and solid viewpoint without being influenced by what the dirt sheets say. It's mind numbing how people wants to always cite politics affecting incidents and outcomes of the WWF's creative direction, that they weren't there to actually witness. That's not to say I don't agree with fans that have those opinions because I do believe politics exist in practically all walks of life. But seriously, let's just stick to what happened on the air and not behind the scenes, because there is so much conjecture and speculation.

Would I have liked Rude and Hogan at WM VII? You damn bet. But do I still think Hogan and Slaughter was a memorable angle? Absolutely. Bottom line is this, Rick Rude had left the WWF, and Warrior was on his way out that same year that Mania VII happened. Hogan for all that people say about him was willing to keep running with the ball, and he met his contractual obligations from what it seemed. As opposed to Warrior, who maybe was telling the truth about his business dealings with Vince. However, considering that after 1991, all of his runs were very brief and amounted to nothing.

The smart and safe bet was on Hogan, and we can use hindsight all we want, but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Wrestling itself was not at its best in a commercial sense, but things worked out and the company evolved. No harm, no foul.
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It was announced on-air by Gorilla Monsoon that WM7 had the largest PPV audience of all time (at that point). This was the last feud where Hogan got an absolutely perfect reaction from the live crowds because people legitimately hated Slaughter.

It wasn't a 5 star match like an HBK vs Hart but its purpose was for the AMERICAN HERO to conquer the IRAQI SYMPATHIZER.

There wasn't much TV back then so the comment of "he made people want to change the channel" is greatly inaccurate.

Slaughter is easily the most hated wrestler of the last 30 years. No one got heat like that and did it with such ease to boot. The crowd reaction when he destroyed Duggan with Shiek and Adnan was unbelievable.

This was GI JOE!!!!! turning on AMERICA!!!! It was amazing. It was perfect and was the first real shocking HEEL turn. This was at almost the same level as Hogan joining the Outsiders in 1996, people reacted to it that well.
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I hated the match. It was easily the one of the worst in-ring main event of a Wrestlemania that I have ever seen. Think about it: WM I had Hogan/Mr. T vs Piper/Orndorff, WM 2 had Hogan/Bundy in a cage for the title, WM 3 had Hogan/Andre, WM 4 had Savage/Dibiase, WM 5 had Hogan/Savage, WM 6 had Hogan/Warrior, WM 7 was Hogan/Slaughter obviously, WM 8 had Hogan/Justice+Savage/Flair I guess, WM 9 & 10 had Hart/Yokozuna, WM 11 had HBK/Diesel, WM 12 had HBK/Hart (classic), WM 13 had Taker/Sid, WM 14 had HBK/Austin, Wm 15 had Rock/Austin, WM 2000 had the four corners match, WM 17 was Rock/Austin, WM 18 was HHH/Jericho, WM 19 was Angle/Brock, WM 20 was HBK/HHH/Benoit, WM 21 was HHH/Batista, WM 22 was Cena/HHH, WM 23 was Cena/HBK, WM 24 was Edge/Undertaker, WM 25 & 26 was HBK/Undertaker, WM 27 was Miz/Cena, WM 28 was Rock/Cena.

Out of all of those, Hogan/Slaughter, Miz/Cena, HHH/Batista, and the Four Corners match could be considered worse. Add to the general apathy of the buildup, it's safe to say that WWF should've probably tried something else.
All I have to say is FACEPALM to saying HHH/Batista and 4 Corners main events were bad!!

You are a joke. Notice you didn't shit on Taker/Sid, Hogan/Sid. In fact, considering you are not really basing the actual story of the feud around the in-ring work, how did you not throw-up watching Hogan/Andre. Take away the build and the hype and that is the worst piece of shit of all time.

Add in the build and it is one of the best, most monumental moments ever.

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