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Old 04-15-2012, 06:53 AM
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How aboiut chair shots where the receiver puts his hand up to block part of the impact?

Rock, Austin, Triple H, HBK etc all did it and it makes sense.

When Cena was hitting Kane with steel steps Kane put his hand up, steel steps would surely carry more force than a steel chair!
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:09 PM
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While I don't think we're going to see a return to the pier six brawls of the Attitude Era they do seem to be pushing the envelope a lot more. Stopping a match because somebody's bleeding kills the show to me. It interrupts the flow of the match. The key is using it sparingly as a way of selling the feud or storyline.
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i disagree on worked injuries... I HATE WORKED INJURIES.... Just look at the recent worked injury of Zack Ryder... WHAT DID THAT ACCOMPLISH?!?!?!? Nothing!!!! it killed any crowd response at the time (and he had a lot) and basically buried him... Don't work injuries... just stupid..

I do agree on giving people time off though (however they go about it) just not a worked injury.
When a wrestler takes a severe beating, especially from the hands of a monster, they can't just come out the following week and be fine. Ryder was getting beat up by Kane, and was working an injury. The issue was the execution. They should of had Ryder battle through the injury and win, or at least not look pathetic. The pushing of Ryder on a wheel chair off the stage was just stupid. But if they took a realistic approach, a worked injury would of actually helped put Ryder over even more.

Imagine Ryder defeating Kane on RAW in a 15 min main event, while working an injury and even blading in the match. Ryder getting his handed raised in victory, barely able to move, bandaged up and bleeding would of turned him into a top face.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:43 PM
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This. Although I disagree with the blood comment.

WWE won't bring back blood and I don't know what it is with wrestling fans, whereby they can't wrap their heads around this thing called Hepetitas C. Not only are WWE under pressure from "Superstar" Billy Graham whose releasing a tell all book about the company from what I read, but he is also claiming that by inducting Abdullah The Butcher who infected some kid with it they're endorsing blading in professional wrestling. Wrestling doesn't need blading anymore, at least not WWE. Sure, let TNA do it and let Ring of Honor do it, but even they've cut back on the amount of blade jobs being done by performers because its became too dangerous and it makes the industry look bad.

Not saying I've never enjoyed a match with blood, it does create a lot of emotions and in some cases in the past was needed to tell the story, but they see their workers health as being more important than telling a story and the fans that don't understand this are morons.

On the subject of head shots with a steel chair, same as Ricky said. They'll never comeback for several reasons. One being Chris Benoit, two being Chris Benoit's brain, three being Chris Benoit killing his wife and son before murdering himself, four being the entire thing whereby taking a clean shot to the head with a genuine piece of steel can cause a concussion and five Chris Benoit.

Again, some wrestling fans need to get with the times. Blood, head shots; we're not in the 90's anymore, Attitude Era is dead and this shit isn't needed. There are wrestlers dying due to abuse through prescription pills based off them taking these head shots and putting themselves in such danger. Not to mention WWE has a fine for any wrestlers that perform head shots with a steel chair, Triple H struck Taker last year and both were fined, deservingly. Get with the program.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't see the issue with using it on select matches at PPV's. I get it is dangerous but it is wrestling, I know it is entertainment and not completely real but it's just something that has been in it for awhile now and we are accustomed too. It's weird but it really did make matches crazy... I don't know I guess what I'm saying is I don't see it as unfeasible to have it at a few random times here and there and just have the people involved take a blood test.

Also, was Brock supposed to go out there and punch Cena like that or was it a botch? I mean looking at from how the other punches went it looks like Brock fucked up lol... because those other punches weren't even close to landing and looked awful, but the fact that he nailed him with that one made it look realistic and well done.
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Old 04-19-2012, 03:27 AM
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I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't see the issue with using it on select matches at PPV's. I get it is dangerous but it is wrestling, I know it is entertainment and not completely real but it's just something that has been in it for awhile now and we are accustomed too. It's weird but it really did make matches crazy... I don't know I guess what I'm saying is I don't see it as unfeasible to have it at a few random times here and there and just have the people involved take a blood test.

Also, was Brock supposed to go out there and punch Cena like that or was it a botch? I mean looking at from how the other punches went it looks like Brock fucked up lol... because those other punches weren't even close to landing and looked awful, but the fact that he nailed him with that one made it look realistic and well done.
I agree with EVERYTHING Dragon Saga has to say on this. They learned way too much from one crazy fuck that has led them down this path; there's now no way they'll go through blade jobs or chair shots.

I agree with that the fact that we could easily see more guarded shots and from earlier, I like the idea of more worked injuries and TKO's so long as they're done in the right places and not overdone.

If im honest I dont think this is a new era whatsoever, we're still somewhere between reality and PG. The thing I think Brock MAY bring to WWE is the addition of MMA. Vince has gone on record saying he would like to bring more elements of MMA to WWE and this is a perfect way of doing so. I'd like to see the two of them hybrid at some stage.

As for the shot, yes it was a botch. Cena moved into the punch instead of away by accident as Brock went in too quick with the shot.
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Old 04-20-2012, 02:03 AM
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Blood is overrated, especially when it's overused (ie every PPV someone's bleeding).

WWE does need to put on better matches though. Last time I checked this was still pro wrestling, not kick, kick, punch, punch, repeat.
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I dont see the problem in Chair Shots or Blading. You are a professional wrestler, you know what you are signing up for. As a former professional wrestler, if you are in anyway a smart worker, you know how to take a chairshot professionally without getting hurt. Blading wouldnt be a problem, as they do blood test's in the WWE
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When a wrestler takes a severe beating, especially from the hands of a monster, they can't just come out the following week and be fine. Ryder was getting beat up by Kane, and was working an injury. The issue was the execution. They should of had Ryder battle through the injury and win, or at least not look pathetic. The pushing of Ryder on a wheel chair off the stage was just stupid. But if they took a realistic approach, a worked injury would of actually helped put Ryder over even more.

Imagine Ryder defeating Kane on RAW in a 15 min main event, while working an injury and even blading in the match. Ryder getting his handed raised in victory, barely able to move, bandaged up and bleeding would of turned him into a top face.
sure that would have worked.. however his worked injury had him in a wheelchair unable to do anything bit sit out raw's for weeks on end (and even had him kayfabe it through his internet show)... That was the part that I hated about it... I would agree that a worked injury is fine if he battles back and eeks out the win, but the point of my post was that his injury did absolutely nothing to the story but remove him from it.. hence the hate
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im sorry this is ridiculus. chair shots to the head are a no-no, but jericho can break a "bottle" over cm punks head? thats fuckin stupid granted he all know it was a sugar bottle and actually smashed in jerichos hand before it even touched punk, but the point is, cant hit with chairs, but "glass" bottles of booze is? im all for blood and violence if done right, but not gratuitous
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im sorry this is ridiculus. chair shots to the head are a no-no, but jericho can break a "bottle" over cm punks head? thats fuckin stupid granted he all know it was a sugar bottle and actually smashed in jerichos hand before it even touched punk, but the point is, cant hit with chairs, but "glass" bottles of booze is? im all for blood and violence if done right, but not gratuitous
You sort of answered your own question there, dummy. The bottle was fake. Any time they show someone getting hit in the head with an inanimate object, it is either fake or there is no actual connection. This is not the case with steel chairs and said chairs are known for creating a lot of head injuries.

Hitting someone in the head with a fake glass bottle poses no threat.
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