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Old 04-10-2012, 11:16 AM
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ok, so i have been watching a couple youshoots on youtube for the past hour for some weird reason and from what some of the people have been saying, WWE is not all 'roses'. The comments that were coming out of their mouths I thought, in my opinion, was really disrespectful. Dissing the colour people, work ethic, sexual orentation and other topics.

So what I asked myself was "What is backstage in WWE actually like?" well i don't know the answer and the only people that do know are the ones that work there and deal with the backstage problems.

Topics that came to my mind with this is 'Miz being dissed on in the early days' 'triple h-chyna-stephanie' and other ones.

So my 2 questions are:

1: Why are their many backstage problems between the employees?
2: WWE are with 'Be-a-Star', so why aren't they dealing with the situations backstage?
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1. they're on steroids for the most part, which makes them dicks (variations on legal steroids are still out there with the same negative side effects).

2. pro wrestling started as a carnie sport, and has mutated as such; carnie's are generally crazy, nasty people (I have first hand experience with this)

3. WWE's Be a Star campaign was a necesarry public relations tool because all of the best bullies learn the best tactics from WWE (see, Chris Jericho and treatment of ALANON members)

4. HHH is a megalomaniac running the show, getting Sheamus the undeserved and untalented several major title runs; it can't be good for morale to have someone get pushed above you because they are (supposedly) getting it on with the next boss in line.

5. Company filled with stars = company filled with ego maniacs; I would say Cena is the only person who actively fights this stereotype.

6. They're all sadomassochists or some are just plain sadists. Look at what they do for a living.

7. Vince is absolutely insane and he loves toying with people's emotions, breaking them, and occassionally rebuilding them. Look what he did to Dusty Rhodes legacy.

8. Its a messed up business, most superstars are pill heads cause they can't fight the pain with marijuana and pharmaceuticals are much more harmful/ addictive and legal.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:31 PM
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one of many reasons for backstage problems is the inherent competitiveness of the business.

First, many are worried about thier job / employment status. For every wrestler that makes it 10 years, thier are 500 who last 1 year or never make it at all.

Secondly, those that are employeed are competing for a their spot, or a higher spot. So not only do you have to compete with the guys below you who want your job, you have to fight the people above you to take their job.

Couple that with men who have egos / testosterone / money / fame / stress / messed up home lives. It's a lifestyle and career that will breed anomosity.
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There are backstage problems in every sport, players that dont like each other, etc. Joe Montana & Steve Young have both said publicly over the years that while neither one personally dislikes the other that when they played together in San Francisco they were not friendly due to the competition between them. Also, how the boss/manager handles things contributes to these issues. We've head stories in football regarding the decline of Dallas attributed in large part to lacksadaisical style and lack of discipline exhibited by Head Coach Barry Switzer in the 90s. Terry Francona just got fired as Boston Red Sox Mgr as his players seemed to care little about the losing streak that cost them a playoff spot last year, alongside the clubhouse drinking during games, etc.

Wrestlers have two issues that regular sports athletes do not have. First, much of what you accomplish in wrestling is attributed to how you are booked. A guy like Tom Zenk might be able to go out and outwrestle Hulk Hogan on any given night back in the day but Zenk never got half the push Hogan got in either WWE run or in WCW. Now you can argue that Zenk lacked charisma, showmanship, mabe he was a had person to get along with. fact remains success in Pro Wrestling depends in large part how promoters/bookers treat you and your character. In San Francisco at least Steve Young was given an opportunity to compete heads up for the starting quarterback job vs Montana. He failed, but he failed based on his own performance and the team's performance when he played. No such "fair competition" exists in wrestling.

Second, wrestlers do not have guaranteed contracts (WCW did for awile, but they're gone). In WWE you do have a contract, with a base salary and provisions for income from merchandise sales (which depends largely on how the company markets you, if you're not on TV or dont win very much who is buying your stuff?), as well as added income from appearing on PPV events, based in part on the success of the PPV itself and the importance of your match to the show (Im sure Sheamus isnt getting an equal WM payout as Cena or Undertaker are). However there are also provisions that allow WWE to cut wrestlers, and void the end of the contract, for different reasons. A three year deal does not mean you are making your bse pay no matter what for three years. There is no health insurance, no pensions or retirement plans, and no union to help with bargaining for the wrestlers. They are independent contractors, and much of their ability to earn money depends on how people in the office market and utilize them independent of their skill level. Nothing like that exists in regular pro sports in America.

Its only natural then that you would have issues with jealousy (like the reports that younger wrestlers were made The Rock was getting the Main Event slot vs Cena at WM when he hasnt wrestled fulll time in so long, or reports back in the 90s that Vader was mad when he was asked to drop the WCW title to Flair because Flair had just come back earlier that year), people may try to run stories to make others look bad in comparison to themselves (rumors) and occassionally real bad blood will develop between wrestlers over their respective spot in the company and how much they contribute vs how well they are taken care off (main events, title runs, wins, etc). Hulk Hogan & Randy Savage are a great example of this.

In some ways things are better than the stories you heard from years ago, not as many people pulling the "I wont wrestle if Im booked to lose" card like HBK was famous for in his 90s heyday, wrestlers dont have as much creative control over their characters (sometimes exercised for their own benefit at the expense of the product) like Hogan & Hart did at times, drugs and alcohol abuse are seemingly not as rampant (in part because of increased media scrutiny, Im sure if Cena & Jericho go out, get hammaered, drag race, and get busted for DUI it will be all over the media today, but barely a peep was heard when Flair & Piper did that back in the 80s, very litle publicly was covered in the media about WWE's drug problems in the early 90s with Tully Blanchard, Marty Jannety, and Kerry Von Erich, although publicity increased a bit when Von Erich died). On the other hand, jealousy and personality clashes maybe more intense now that WWE is the only major employer for these guys. Is there an organized pro wrestling league that promotes in large venues and has TV contracts in Canada ? TNA is not close to WWE in media coverage, audience share, or pay. Realistically, the only place for these guys to go and still be major stars making big money is Japan.

Pro wrestling is hard business, physically taxing, no health care or benefits, lots of travel, and much of what you do depends on how you are booked by others. Under those conditions its no wonder there is not a picture perfect harmonious locker room for these guys all the time.

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Bullshit, drama and harassment happens behind the scenes in many companies. It's expected with someone like Vince McMahon running the show.
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Well when i watched beyond the mat it just appears that everyone wants to be at the top of the company so they don't mind stabbing eachother in the back to get there.
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There's drama, BS and people stabbing each other in the back in pretty much any line of work. The WWE is no different. You have people that like each other and people that hate each other. But at the end of the day they're professional (at least they try to be) when they step into the ring.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:39 PM
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1: Why are their many backstage problems between the employees?
2: WWE are with 'Be-a-Star', so why aren't they dealing with the situations backstage?
1. Like other said, its a competitive company in a competitive industry. There are 60-80 wrestlers fighting to have 2 main belts. Those two men holding the main titles have around 6 guys at any given time that they're feuding with. Then there are the 2 secondary titles and the same 6 or so that are feuding with them. After that, there are a select few who get pushed every so often and a few more who have good feuds that transcend titles. Everyone else (Divas, tag champs included) are absolutely expendable - leaving 40-60 people fighting over a few spots. Vince encourages wrestlers to be competitive with each other, with some being assholes about it backstage like Scott Steiner or others who become creative like Zack Ryder. That's the main gist of it, but also added to this is the script writers who sometimes have flashes of brilliance but also sometimes crap out. When a main guy like Steve Austin leaves because of problems with Creative, you can only imagine how some of the lower-midcard guys feel. Then again, there are elements of cronyism, where buddies of the main guy get a push because they're buddies with the main guy (Sheamus with HHH comes to mind). This tends to fuel resentment. There are so many other reasons, but those are the three that I feel are contributing most directly to the negative atmosphere.

2. Be A Star is a charitable movement that is designed to get the WWE seen in a more positive light. If a few kids stop being bullied in the process, great. But the main reason WWE is doing this is to be perceived as more modern and mainstream. Every organization has some bullshit cause that they pretend to believe in, for WWE its bullying. They do not have to have a perfect working environment for their staff to promote an anti-bullying campaign.
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Take a look at the place you work. For 8 hours a day, most of us are in the company of the same group of people. You know what happens; there always has to be at least one troublemaker in the office, a person who is incapable and unwilling to keep the peace among his fellow employees. Every workplace has at least one; I swear the company puts out want ads stating: Pain-in-the-ass employee needed for otherwise harmonious office. Apply within.

Okay, now take a workplace full of people who are in each others company 24 hours a day, rather than 8. They travel together, eat together and spend free time outside the scope of their jobs together. Personality differences are magnified, petty arguments often become major altercations, and jealousies abound. That's what life in WWE must be like, as it is for sports teams and show troupes that tour together.

I know it's sacrilege to say anything against Owen Hart, but after he died, they had lots of superstars saying a few words about him on-air, and I remember several mentioning how aggravating Owen could be with his practical jokes. Those were gentle comments; one can only imagine how difficult it must have been to exist with him on a continual basis. If everyone had to be constantly on their guard to avoid being embarrassed by Owen, it would be exactly the kind of thing that kept everyone on edge, which is precisely what a group like that doesn't need.

Remember too, WWE isn't like your office, where's there is some competition for positions, yet most everyone has a defined job. In a wrestling company, essentially all of them are competing for only a few "star" positions......and tensions surely bubble to the surface and become magnified due to clashes of egos.......and don't fool yourself into thinking any of them are humble souls; it takes a huge ego to perform in front of thousands of people while wearing only a pair of trunks.

I'm sure most of them are fond of one another, but spending all your time with the same people presents many challenges, that's for sure. Most of us have no basis on which to understand it.
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1: Why are their many backstage problems between the employees? Think of all the reasons you have problems with coworkers or classmates. Wrestlers are no different. Spend a long enough time around anyone and you're bound to find stuff about them that is annoying. And well some people are assholes. It's just that unlike say a white collar office type setting where being an asshole takes on a more subtle passive-aggressive style. The rugged He-Man environment of a pro-wrestling lockerroom means assholes are a lot less subtle in their assholery. Add in just how competitive it is for positions on the card and all the egos, you're basically bound to have drama just like in any legit sport or in theatre.

2: WWE are with 'Be-a-Star', so why aren't they dealing with the situations backstage?
Be-A-Star is little more than a public relations thing. Just corporate America kissing a butt. To viewers it's the same as all those corny assemblies at school. Bullies arent gonna stop being bullies simply because John Cena or whoever says "play nice." Kids ignore them and think "Yeah Yeah now get back to John Cena and Randy Orton kicking ass." Also most wrestling promoters don't really care as long as the backstage drama isn't effecting the on camera product.
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