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Old 04-10-2012, 03:52 AM
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Now why would I open up something so sacred with such skanky lines? Simple reason. Jumping off your couch as soon as the gong of the Deadman would hit, many of us would stare at this mythical god in our eyes, laden with mystical powers and we would dream about being just that. The look, the walk, the ambience little Attitudelets like us would make up a whole world, a darker world, and guess who ruled it? Maybe all this will come off as mere troll-talk but I think there is a psychological significance of how much it made us venture and fantasize about the dark side and acting...kinda weird in public. Pretty sure I have some takers here?





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But by that time, we were all out of the kayfabe world of ours and knew Undertaker as a solid, loyal worker who was the cornerstone of WWE. We saw an athletic, agile beast compete with the oddest of oddities and the cleanest of performers. Yet we longed for the old gimmick. Knowing full well that it was, all a staged display. It was like the older genration was equally, if not more, clamoring for the return of Mark Calloway as the druid-leading, leather-sporting dark lord. And we got it...



In the year 2012, The Undertaker's character is still dipped in the dark but now with the Streak more important, it really doesn't matter how much he steeps into it. Well, does that create a spot for someone as dark as Taker to appear? We saw WWE try this with Mordecai and Boogyman, who then became a comic relief. Remember Little Boogie? Its just not WWE/F who tried it. WCW would have their go, although Seven is debatable. Some saw Taker Gimmick Breaker, I saw Uncle Fester Tribute. But there were still a-go for launching a mythical persona even in this 'real' age of wrestling. Almost all ended being a joke though. There was period to harbor or cater it seemed. Yet there still seems a chance that if a wrestler is brough in said manner, it would garner some response. Could you fashion a character as such and see it rise to the top?

Could The Undertaker Be Involved In Some Way?
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:01 AM
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Part of me thinks that Undertaker is such a timeless gimmick. If there were another big guy who was as solid in the ring and on the mic as Undertaker was, I would say absolutely. Why not have Undertaker, when Mark Callaway retires, continue on as someone else? Imagine it. Mark Callaway stands there in the middle of the ring, announces his retirement. DONG. lights out. DONG. Just the cloak/jacket and the hat are in the ring. DONG. lights out again. Undertaker is stood in the ring, but it isn't Callaway.

I know this would not happen, but I think the Undertaker is SO iconic anything that is even close to his gimmick would be seen as a rip off anyway. The guy has "mythical powers", why not exploit them?

I know a lot of folks will hate the idea and I'm kind of on the fence about it, but it's a possibility and if it were done right they MIGHT pull it off.
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I kinda like the idea of Taker passing on his dark legacy to someone new but this would have to be a major build. Idk if he should be an FCW guy who we've never seen before or someone on the main roster who needs a complete image makeover but he's going to have to be everything that Taker is and more. I know 99.9% of ppl are going to hate this but this guy has to be the one who eventually "ends" the Taker gimmick at Wrestlemania, he doesn't need to bet him and break the streak but he needs to end him to show that he's the new dominant force of the darkside. The two of them want exist together forever and the only way for this new character to take of is for him to be the one to take the Deadman out.
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Old 04-10-2012, 08:53 AM
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I like the idea suggested above about someone else replacing Mark Calloway. I like all of it. Why not give someone who is really deserving a chance at being huge straight away. I get the Undertaker is a legendary and well-respected character, but I see Calloway actually being behind the idea in all honesty. There are two ways I would do this:

1) - Have the Undertaker say his final words, I mean the Mark Calloway version. Have the gong and the lights go out. Have the gong and the lights back on and the coat and the hat laying in the ring in a perfect pile. The crowd imagines he is gone. Have it stay like this for a while. I would then have the gong and the lights go out and come back on again. This time the urn of the Undertaker would be in front of the coat and hat. The gong, lights off, gong and lights on and Paul Bearer is holding the urn in front of a brand new Undertaker.

2) - Have The Undertaker lose his last match. Say for instance against Kane at Survivor Series. Doesn't really matter at the moment, just an example. Anyway, have him lose so badly he can't get up, worse than WrestleMania XXVII. Have Paul Bearer emerge with the druids and a Casket. Those watching should gather that this is the end. Then have the Undertaker placed in the Casket. The Casket could be placed in a Herse for christ sake and then have the Hurse removed from the arena with all of the Undertaker lights and titantron, minitron shit and the flames. Then, similar to when the Undertaker was "resurrected" after the Casket Match many years ago, have the Undertaker once again walk to the ring and have him remove the hat in front of the opponent that beat him, only to reveal a new Undertaker.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:44 AM
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To answer the title of the post:
Yeah, it could. You have to have the right person and the right promo build. Do what I like to refer to as a slow burn. Get the person exposed, get them out in front of the fans and build them. Have them slowly (aka not in 2 months time) beat members of the roster. Have them push a factor of intimidation but DO NOT replicate Undertaker. That's something that will always be the man that we see now. No one else should use this character.

Could they do something where said character has some sort of relationship with The Undertaker? Yeah, sure they've done it before. They said Big Show as The Giant was related to Andre... (or they were going to... can't remember) As for having Undertaker involved? No, the person portraying said new character needs to stand on their own, unless they go into a losing spiral and the aura is "gone" and they could have a "supernatural experience" where Undertaker shows up...
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No. It won't work today. BTW I nver liked the "Deadman" Gimmick of Undertaker. In my opinion Biker Taker was much better. After becoming the ABA Biker in 2000 Undertaker should have stayed that way.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:09 AM
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I'd say the biggest key is just suspension of disbelief. But here's the thing, when we first see the Undertaker, they don't explain his whole backstory. It leaves it up to the viewers. Even today we're not even sure about details on it. We're not even sure if what the wrestler or his manager is saying is legit. That's how it was able to be accepted.

So if they ever want to do another character like this, all I can say is just keep it mysterious. Never give away too much. Coming out and saying "I'm a dead dude from beyond the grave and I have come to take all your souls", that's just going to get a man laughed off. On the other hand, if he wants to just do things "weird" for a while then once people start questioning, start dropping hints or two, then yes, I could honestly see a character like the Undertaker working in a modern setting. Heck, if people could as late as I think 2010 just accept Undertaker popping out of a casket in the middle of Summerslam without calling it stupid, I think that should be a good enough sign people can accept things like this for the sake of storytelling.
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Simple answer - It depends on your mindset.

To the older fans who keep up with the backstage stuff (like I do), it'd be hard to bring in someone new with that type of persona. In today's world where we know pretty much everything about every wrestler b/c of dirt sheets and social media, it would be extremely difficult to get such a character over nowadays. I do agree that you have to suspend disbelief a bit for it to work.

The younger fans (kids up through early pre-teen) may be more able to focus on the fantasy aspect of the character because they don't see the inner workings of the industry. They just watch Smackdown and Raw (at least now in the PG era) and believe what they see as real.

With the characters today being more realistic and less cartoonish or fantasy, bringing in such a character isn't easy. Perfect examples are Ryback and Lord Tensai. Both were with WWE before. Matt Bloom's been gone for a while, but Ryback/Skip Sheffield wasn't gone that long. The announcers are even spoiling the characters a bit now by stating that they are former WWE or NXT superstars returning, although never using their former names. Originally, Ryback's character was a time traveler. Lord Tensai's Japanese theme is a bit over the top, IMO. Things like this could be done 20 or 30 years ago and no one would bat an eye. Nowadays, especially with the younger fans from the 80s and 90s being adult fans today and learning more about the backstage workings, it's hard to bring in someone new or revamp a character too much without it being seen as cheesy.

The idea mentioned of Undertaker "passing the torch" to a new person that would assume the role is interesting to me, but I don't think it would work. As a long time Taker fan, it'd be very hard to see anyone else in that role other than Mark Calloway. But, the concept of making the Undertaker persona itself a living, breathing mystical entity that travels from person to person sounds pretty cool. Unfortunately, I think that idea is about 20 years too late to be taken seriously.
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It could work.

I think a perfect way to do this would be to introduce some sort of legacy angle (not the stable). Have this new Undertaker (who looks like the original did back in the 90's) come out and talk about how every generation has there Undertaker and this one (Calloway) is too old and has been around for too long. Then you build a match at Mania and have the new Taker win ending the old Takers career. This way you keep the streak intact and can continue it with the new Taker.

Now for this to work you better make sure you find the next great big man. The mic skills don't have to be there from the start, but everything else should.

This way if 10 years later the gimmick still works and its time to replace the new Taker you can just find the next one and start the gimmick all over again.

Is this out there, yes. Will it happen, great chance that it doesn't. But if it did (or something close to this) I think it would be pretty cool and increadibly risky.
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I think it could work in today's wrestling era it just can't be too goofy. I know that's hard to say when you see the things that Kane & The Udertaker can do but if it's given the right type of believability I thintout can get over with today's fans.....

My primary example for this would be this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dXKwufV5EII
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