**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[TWJC: The Beginning]

If you don't think he's a legend, you may have autism. I say this, because a symptom of autism(on some parts of the spectrum) is being incredibly self centered and not being able to see someone else's point of view. If you say "John Cena" most people, at least here in america, know who you're talking about. That's "legendary" to me. He's been the top guy. No, it's not a fucking lack of star power, that's just something people who want it to be 1999 again with cheap pops on beer, blood, boops, pornstars, pimps, and mae youngs hand say.

Cena is a top guy because he has the talent and the work ethic and the loyalty to do so. I don't own any John Cena merchandise, but I do have an autographed "Bryan Danielson" picture I drove 13 hours round trip in 1 day to get at a show in a rec center in front of 1,500 people. I'm closer to the smark douchebag who chants asshole things all show than the kid who pops for "you can't see me". However, I can think critically and rationally. I'm not dumb. John Cena is a legend. It's pretty damn objective.

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Originally Posted by Hashtag Killer

There is proof. I like to call it the "Smark Effect". WWE's been trying to please the anti-Authority fans for years. Fans wanted to cheer Orton, so they turn him face... fans end up hating Orton. Fans want to cheer Sheamus, so they turn him face... fans end up hating Sheamus. Fans want to cheer CM Punk, so they turn him face... fans end up hating CM Punk. It's history that will simply repeat itself if WWE continues to cater to their fans.

IMO, WWE should stop caring about what the people want and book how they know they should. I'm going to say it here and now, wrestling fans don't know what they want. They think they do, but they don't.

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Anyway, back to Cena. I'm really starting to find a lot more respect for him. I've always had respect for him, don't get me wrong. But nowadays, the amount of dedication that's so obvious is just amazing. I can't wait to see how he progresses after his win at Mania.

I think that's what they do. That's why Santino is the US champion and Cena is still a face, just evolved a bit. The WWE is ran by businessmen who realize that their individual fandom and opinion doesn't matter. What matters is the opinion of the general masses and actually understanding that opinion even if the fans themselves don't. Then booking accordingly. When you book with your own personal convictions and not off anything that makes good business sense, you end up with TNA.

[TBK]

Definitely. Hate the guy all you want, but he's already made a name for himself. In fact, I'd say about everyone who has lead the company at some point will forever be considered legends.

He's been a 10 something time World Champion. He's been top face for the company. He's had very popular feuds with Edge, JBL, Triple H, Orton and most recently, CM Punk. He's done so much in so little time. I'm not the biggest fan of Cena, but the way he's lead the company back into popularity, whether we like or not, is just stuff of legends.

[Wrestlemania 20-0]

Since 10 years John Cena has win an tittle by year approximatively,like Edge in a certain measure.
The question is what is an legend in the WWE and who decides.

[SPR*VLN]

As we all know Cena has been tearing up WWE for years now and beat just about everyone put in his way. Early in his career Angle, Big Show, HHH, Chris Jericho, etc. Then Umaga, Khali, Edge, Batista, Orton etc. Now young talent like Barrett and Sheamus.

Every era theres the larger then life guy, but his nemesis always has his number. We saw it with Hogan/Warrior, Bret/Shawn, and Rock/Austin. When Sheamus burst on the scene and quickly beat Cena twice I thought he was going to be that guy, but soon like always Cena prevailed.

To my question, who do you think on the current roster should be the guy Cena absolutely cant beat, and always out smarts him? I think Christian could be that guy. He's always played the role of a being that pest since his E&C days and I can see him being able to always beat Cena make him into the mega heel the company lacks. If not Christian then Barrett.

[mqa86]

I think they had the chance to make CM Punk that guy to Cena, but they totally blew it, he had a huge momentum and the crowd was almost entirely behind Punk but aparently to the creative tema that wasnt good enough, putting a monster against Cena wouldnt make sense so you need a person who can get enough people behind him, we know that ain't orton they dont mix that well together and neither sheamus, christian is way too old to start building himself as a credible top heel, maybe with a total overhaul but i still dont see it.

[PunkTruster91]

it should be Dolph Ziggler, it would give a huge push to a promising star. plus it would really give the "show off" attitude they are having him use push as well. plus i feel cena has been around as long as orton, why are they not using him to push young stars??

[Elmarko13]

They should probably start out fresh with someone he has never faced may i suggest a certain freaking awesome star about to make his way up from FCW that goes by the name Seth Rollins. I would love to see Rollins get an enormous push cause he is probably one of my favorites as of now. Putting him over Cena would definitely solidify him as a main eventer.

[Lorenzo von Matterhorn]

Hypothetically speaking, I can't take Christian seriously in that role. He's been handed too many loses over his career and been beaten by two many people that HAVE scored victories over Cena. He's more of a main event guy now than he was during his first tenure with WWE, but that still doesn't mean I could take him seriously cast in the role as Cena's ultimate opponent.

Austin/Rock, Hogan/Warrior, Sting/Flair, and even Steamboat/Savage all had one thing in common: both guys were legendary and deserving of their place. Hogan was the bigger name taken down by Warrior, likewise with Austin and Flair. But their opponents came off DESERVING of their legacy. I just don't think Christian could ever be believable attached to John Cena for any length of time.

Edge was the closest thing Cena ever had to a real challenge. Triple H was better than Edge and more of a legend when they collided, but nobody actually thought the Game was going to beat Cena for the title at WrestleMania. Same with Orton. Same with Batista. But Edge got under Cena's skin and stayed their for almost an entire year! One of my all-time favorite rivalries, and I believe the only man to truly provide a believable challenge to John Cena (from a storyline perspective) until the Rock.

They have a chance to do it again with CM Punk, as Cena has never really beaten him decisively. Punk actually has the advantage in his lifetime feud with Cena, so there's already plenty of backstory available.

They could also go another route, and do something like Triple H/Shelton Benjamin did during the Evolution days. If you rememeber management was really hot on Shelton Benjamin and wanted to push him to the stars. And why not? He had all the looks and ability of a true star in the business, he just lacked the drive to do anything with it... Or so the story goes. Anyways, Benjamin beat Triple H on several occasions of a period of a few months. He was smaller, less experience, and going up against the World Champion for heaven's sake! But for whatever reason he could always pull out the victory against Triple H... I think the Miz could have been in a really good position to be that guy for John Cena. You don't think of him as somebody who could physically compete with Cena, but he is crafty and has proven that through circumstantial angles he CAN and HAS beaten Cena several times. If they wanted to try again with a younger star and build him up by having Cena give him the rub in several matches, I think any of the ROH guys down in FCW waiting to come up would be great choices. Perhaps an Uso if they ever decide to do ANYTHING with them.

That's all I got, but before I take off... The only reason I wanted to make this post - even though it was interesting (for a change) - was to surpass the 1,000 mark and forever rid myself of holding a women's championship on this forum.

[snitskystilllovesfeet]

Realize there has been some past, but Jericho would be perfect to make a run on Cena. He has always had the ability to job, but his wins over Rock and Austin in one night makes him credible against anybody. I could see him holding a psychological edge over Cena. Maybe make Superman doubt himself for a little while.