**MERGED** John Cena Thread - Heel Turn, Matches, Etc. (Keep it in here!!)

[itssoeasy123]

Originally Posted by PunkNation26

Well Zeke isn't good looking. Also, he's black. I'm not saying that as an insult, I'm just saying that he's not the stereotypical All American white boy goody goody babyface. Plus he's way worse than Cena as a wrestler. The fans turned on Rock like 3 or 4 times and he always adjusted. He interacted with the fans. He "embraced the hate". Cena could have done that. Cena could have at least tried to do a "cool" heel turn. People are tired of "SuperCena."

I'm actually afraid that Miz will interfere and cost Cena the match at Wrestlemania. I want Cena to lose, but lose cleanly. If Cena is ever going to lose clean, it has to be against The Rock because nobody else will be allowed to beat him.

So basically you think The Rock should beat Cena even though The Rock isn't a full-time performer. John Cena is a employee of the WWE, The Rock is not. So why should a actor beat the top face of the WWE for the last 7 years?

And I don't understand this fascination with Cena "losing clean." A lose is a lose, no matter what the circumstances.

[beccawwenerd]

Im so glad Cena is ok when I first heard about it, they made it seem like he was hurt or something. I hope he doesnt have whiplash or anything but after his match with mark henry i wouldnt be suprised if he was hurting lol.

[Arsenal]

Originally Posted by Slyfox696

And I think you keep sounding like a moron when you say stupid things like this.



Yes, that doesn't sound biased at all. "The guy I like made himself famous, but the guy I don't like only got famous because someone else made him famous, even though they took basically the same route to the main-event."

You're sounding ridiculous. I could just as easily say the only reason Rock became famous is because Austin made wrestling popular, and Rock leeched those fans Austin already created. Cena, however, is the one creating new fans every year, while Rock has to depend on those fans who watched 10 years ago that he leeched from Austin's popularity.

Which is why Sin Cara, Kofi Kingston, Brodus Clay, and Evan Bourne are all bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue every year, right?



Yes, because it's so hard to talk about monkey poo, moose piss, and sticking things up people's rectums. Clearly a sign of appealing to a hard to please crowd. The same crowd who started gushing over CM Punk because he said a couple of smarky things in a promo at the end of Raw.

You're saying stupid things again.


Completely false. Cena has EVERY demographic EXCEPT one. There's only one demographic which Cena doesn't appeal to, and that's the 13-24 male demographic. Everyone else? They love Cena.

That must be why Ezekial Jackson is a 5 time World Heavyweight champion.

Wait, you mean he's not? You mean you're just saying stupid things without thinking about how false they've been proven time and again?

The WWE's profits say otherwise.

They were the #1 show on cable TV last Monday night. How are they crap? You do understand TV is not the same as it was 10 years ago, right?

It is, but one that is proven incorrect when you see that Raw is consistently one of the highest rated cable shows every week, and you see the WWE's revenue continues to increase every year, their live event attendance has held firm even in the midst of a worldwide recession and global financial instability, and their profits have continued to number in the tens of millions of dollars.

You're welcome to say it's crap, just understand that all hard indicators say you're wrong.

Not all hard indicators. You claim revenue is still going up, and it is, but just barely. More importantly however, the WWE's gross profit and net profit have seen significant declines from 2009 to 2010, and from 2010 to 2011. The WWE had $24.8M of net profit in 2011, down from $50.3M in 2009. Consequently, their stock is only trading at $8.72 per share as of today, whereas 2 years ago it was over $17 per share. In the same period, the overall stock market (as measured by the S&P 500) has gone up by ~20%.

These are telltale indicators that the WWE's business is NOT doing well. Which is a big reason they have to rely on all these Attitude era (and pre Attitude era) veterans like The Rock, Triple H, Undertaker, and Shawn Michaels to sell this years (and last year's) WrestleMania. John Cena and the current PG era is not getting the job done, no matter how much marks for the current product try to deny it. Many people in my age group (early 30's) don't even watch wrestling anymore but because the Rock is back they may watch WrestleMania, so I doubt John Cena is appealing to the over 24 demographic as you claim.

[Slyfox696]

Originally Posted by Arsenal

Not all hard indicators. You claim revenue is still going up, and it is, but just barely.

But it is, in economic hard times.

More importantly however, the WWE's gross profit and net profit have seen significant declines from 2009 to 2010, and from 2010 to 2011.

Untrue. 2009 saw a net income of $50.3 million and 2010 was $53.5 million.

The WWE had $24.8M of net profit in 2011, down from $50.3M in 2009.

Yes, but that was not because of the wrestling business, but rather money which was put into WWE Films. The WWE reported an impairment charge of $23.4 million into WWE Films, which means if you add the two numbers together, we're talking about $48.2 million. Which is less than last year, but given the worldwide recession and economic instability, it's a pretty good indicator of a successful business.

So while your statement is true, it's also misleading and does not disprove my point which you bolded.

Consequently, their stock is only trading at $8.72 per share as of today, whereas 2 years ago it was over $17 per share. In the same period, the overall stock market (as measured by the S&P 500) has gone up by ~20%.

This has no bearing on whether the product the WWE is putting on TV is quality or not. There are a lot of reasons stock prices go up or down. Most investors don't decide on buying stock based upon whether or not they like John Cena as the WWE champ.

These are telltale indicators that the WWE's business is NOT doing well.

I think I've pretty much proven this statement inaccurate.

Which is a big reason they have to rely on all these Attitude era (and pre Attitude era) veterans like The Rock, Triple H, Undertaker, and Shawn Michaels to sell this years (and last year's) WrestleMania.

That's just silly. Pro wrestling has ALWAYS been about selling big shows based on big names. Bruno Sammartino was 45 years old when he was working with Zybsko at Shea Stadium. Hogan was in his mid 40s when he was revolutionizing the wrestling world in the nWo. Vince McMahon was in his 50s when he was Austin's arch-nemesis.

Pro wrestling has ALWAYS been a business where the more time you have in front of an audience, the more likely you are to be over.

John Cena and the current PG era is not getting the job done, no matter how much marks for the current product try to deny it.

What more can they do? They are making substantial profits in a poor economy, they're a top 3 cable TV show every Monday night, they're wrestling in front of audiences around the world, selling out shows in every country they go to.

What more can you possibly expect from them?

Many people in my age group (early 30's) don't even watch wrestling anymore

Yes, but people your age traditionally DON'T watch wrestling anymore. People your age, and even my age, tend to get real lives which take them away from pro wrestling, until we have children who want to watch it.

Saying that people your age don't watch wrestling is like saying most guys don't wear makeup.

but because the Rock is back they may watch WrestleMania, so I doubt John Cena is appealing to the over 24 demographic as you claim.

Where do you think the children get the money to buy Cena merchandise? Do you think parents of an 9 year old is going to buy a Carlito shirt that says "Do you spit or swallow"? Cena appeals to many adults, because he is a positive role model for their kids. He appeals to me because he's a fantastic wrestler.

No, the only demographic he really doesn't appeal much to are the young and the stupid males.

[Mack_Swagger]

Last Monday on RAW in Cleveland, Ohio we saw the "one night stand" return of the rapper persona of John Cena (word-life!). Jean shorts, throwback jersey (Mark Price of the Cavs), trucker hat, and the infamous chain with lock. And John Cena spit a diss rhyme on the Rock. John Cena's flow's aren't what they use to be. But it brought back some memories for sure! And Cena got more cheers then had since back then.

And of course after John Cena the rapper, we got John Cena the boy scout. Wearing a colorful bright T-Shirt, saluting the CeNation (not the Chain Gang) everytime he heads down to the ring, kissing babies, ECT. For the past eight years now the WWE universe has been living Cenamania (brother!). But could we see the rapper Cena again in the future?

[PaperGhostopolis]

No I don't wanna see Rapper Cena anymore. i wanna see Super Cena day in day out. I want him 'shoved down my throat' every single week? Know why? Coz I don't hate Cena, I don't have the time to hate Cena. I like him. As a human being, as a wrestler, I like him. He hasn't all this celebrity status go to his head and has still stayed grounded and focused.

I always liked his ground and pound style. If anything, he has added more moves since then. The man sells fine when he has to. If there is one thing about Cena that kinda irks me is that he takes bumps awkwardly. Great wrestlers took bumps so gracefully. But that's his only flaw.


I find him entertaining. I think his comedic timing is spot-on. He has charisma to keep the crowd in his hand and always creates and electric atmosphere no matter where he goes. So, no, I'm very much fine with Super Cena right now. Rapper Cena can make cameos here and there no doubt.


Thanks for asking by the way.

[shooter_mcgavin]

It's nice to see him return to his rapper gimmick but as much as people are tired of Super Cena the rapper gimmick was a midcard gimmick so seeing him rapping for one time only is ok but moving forward I am more interested in how the character will evolve after WM28.

[ProWrestlingFan84]

If nothing else this whole Rock/Cena feud has shown me quite a few things. Mostly though it's that people should be careful of what they want because they might get it. I've followed how much people hate Super Cena and blah blah but he's no different than when Hogan did his same ordeal back in the 80's/early 90's. Personally yes I did like seeing the rapper gimmick but it should be a ONS only. I've found myself liking Cena so much more since feuding with the Rock because Cena has changed with his promos and doesn't sound so force fed. That and the Rock is bringing out the better in him because Cena has to step up his game. The only thing that hurt the rapper Cena when he came back a couple weeks ago was that it was first and although good, it was short. Then well the Rock closed and went on forever as he butchered Queen. Needless to say though going into Mania, Cena should stay his "super" Cena this coming monday and going on to Mania. Then well the fans I think will get an enjoyable match because despite what most feel, Cena if given the right opponent aka The Rock, good things will happen. Granted it won't remotely touch Punk/Jericho but for what it will be, it will be good.

[sTyLnK]

No. I want to see Cena come out to an entirely new gimmick. No cheesy lame rapping thug and no more super Cena. Now that would be awesome.

[LeviCook]

Yes and no. I think he should have the "rapper" gimmick. But not the old one. A more updated version that is a cross between what he is now, who he actually is, and the rapper. Sort of like Cena in 07. I don't think he should wear the throwback jerseys, the chain with the lock, or the fitteds. I think he should dress normal. Maybe a little something extra and have a different attitude. A more intense heel Cena. They could set up a gimmick where John Cena finally snaps. He's tired of doing what's right and not getting the credit he deserves. Where he attacks other superstars and beats the living hell out of them. He'll come out and cut promos in a slow pace rap. Where he will insult his opponent, the crowd, etc. So kind of the rapper gimmick with a darker less cheesy appeal. I think this would work perfectly.